7 Responses to Who’s In Your Five?

  1. Administrator April 14, 2008 at 3:49 pm #

    Okay, here’s my prediction/theory/guess. The “original programmers” are the angel-beings, who interfered in Cylon evolution to create the skinjobs. (This was true in the original series too, when it as discovered that the dark angel Iblis had provided the 1000-year-old voice template for the first Imperious Leader.) As in the original series, there is conflict among the angel-beings. We’ve been told that the fall of Kobol came about when “one jealous god began to desire that he be elevated above all the other gods”; this seems to imply that the Cylon God is a former Lord of Kobol turned renegade, which would make him the equivalent of Iblis. (But of course that’s the Kobol gods’ version of the story; I doubt the conflict between the two sides will be as straightforwardly black/white as the one in the original series.) The virtual Six in Baltar’s head, the virtual Baltar in Six’s (and now also Baltar’s) head, and the virtual Leoben formerly in Kara’s head are, I suggest, all angel-beings (virtual Six has called herself an angel, while virtual Leoben – who has admitted he’s not one of the Cylon Leobens – seems to be “uplifting” this show’s Starbuck in the same way the angel-beings “uplifted” the original Starbuck in Galactica 1980). Since virtual Six and virtual Baltar seem more arrogant than virtual Leoben, and likewise less knowledgeable (virtual Leoben helps Kara find Earth, while virtual Six and virtual Baltar show no signs of knowing where Earth is), I’m guessing that they belong to different sides of the angelic conflict. If we call the two sides Kobolite and Iblisite, then I would say virtual Leoben is a Kobolite; virtual Six, as a worshipper of the Cylon God, must be an Iblisite, and since virtual Baltar is aligned with virtual Six, he is presumably an Iblisite too. (And as I’ve suggested previously, virtual Leoben’s shepherding Kara through apparently certain death when her ship exploded last season is paralleled by virtual Six’s shepherding Baltar through apparently certain death way back at the beginning of the series when his house was nuked.)

    I’m less sure whether, or how, the divide between the Seven and the Five is related to the conflict between Kobolites and Iblisites. On the one hand, it’s tempting to think that the Kobolites created the Five and the Iblisites created the Seven. Reasons for this: the Five must be older than the Seven (given how long Tigh has been around) and so might have a distinct creation; the prohibition on asking about the Final Five seems what one would expect from the “jealous god”; and both Tyrol’s first triggering and D’Anna’s vision of the Five are connected with the Temple of Jupiter, clearly a Kobolite site (Jupiter is a Lord of Kobol). On the other hand, there are also reasons for doubt. We’ve been told that the “five pillars of the temple were fashioned after the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken.” Although the temple is Jupiter’s, the Unspeakable One to whom the Five were devoted is presumably not Jupiter – since you wouldn’t call the same being both “Jupiter” and “one whose name cannot be spoken” simultaneously. It seems a natural guess that the Unspeakable One is the “jealous god,” the Cylon God, the Iblis character – and that would imply that the Final Five are aligned with the Iblisites rather than the Kobolites. Maybe the Five represent a first wave of Iblisite rebellion, and the Seven a second?

    On a related point, I don’t think either Kara or Baltar is a Cylon, but they’re both being put forward as messianic figures; perhaps Kara is the “Chosen One” of the Kobolites while Baltar is the “Chosen One” of the Iblisites. (But then what about Roslin? Isn’t she also, if not Chosen, at least chosen? And if so, she’s presumably chosen by the Kobolites, so why is she opposing Kara, also chosen by the Kobolites?)

    In any case, the big conflict among the Seven is now going to be between those who believe the Five are in the Colonial fleet and who will try to contact them (that’s Leoben, Six, and all the Sharons except Boomer) and those who oppose this (Cavil, Doral, and Simon). D’Anna is rumoured to get unboxed this season; I’m guessing that the first group bring her back to find out what she saw when she glimpsed the Five.

    One more guess: Moore has said (I think) that the fleet won’t get to Earth until the very end of the series, but he hasn’t (I think) said that the Starbuck/Helo reconnaissance team won’t get there earlier. I bet they do, and that Cylons follow them there.

    As for the identity of the Twelfth Cylon, no guesses here, but Ron Moore has said that it isn’t any of the people in this picture, so that rules out many of the more popular guesses. (Surprisingly, even if it’s a woman there’ll still be more male Cylon models than female; I would have expected it to be 50-50.) The main question is why the last of the Five wasn’t triggered when the others were. Is the last one somehow importantly different?

  2. MPerry April 14, 2008 at 7:05 pm #

    Excluding those in the photograph and those who have already been Cylons, and assuming it is a character that has been introduced before, that doesn’t leave many people. Of those left, Tom Zarek seems like the best bet.

  3. Administrator April 14, 2008 at 8:04 pm #

    Other possibilities that fans are throwing around are Gaeta, Dualla, and even Doc Cottle and Romo Lampkin.

  4. Anon72 April 14, 2008 at 10:30 pm #

    The thing I don’t get is: who cares? It doesn’t seem to affect the story in any meaningful way. The 12th cylon isn’t some godlike figure hailing Armageddon. The only reason it would seem to be important is because the characters say it’s important; and that’s no reason at all.

  5. Administrator April 14, 2008 at 11:19 pm #

    It doesn’t seem to affect the story in any meaningful way.

    Even if it affects the story in no further way, finding out a major revelation about an already established character seems significant in itself.

  6. Anon72 April 15, 2008 at 3:42 pm #

    Has Moore stated for certain it is an “established character”?

  7. Mark April 17, 2008 at 4:19 am #

    Like I said, Baltar is conected to the original programmer.

    I think the angel-beings will never have a big place in the series simply because the limited time of season 4. Humans can’t understand that much info in so little time.

    “They” need to account for Starbuck’s explosion survival of the actual Eye of Jupiter on the gas planet. I think she actually died but the programmers can reincarnate humans too. It’s subspace quantum filaments and stuff don’t you know.

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