Cordial and Sanguine, Part 61: Whose Left? Which Libertarianism?

[cross-posted at BHL]

Over at C4SS I’ve posted the abstract to a paper on Left-Libertarianism: Its Past, Its Present, Its Prospects that I’ll be presenting at the MANCEPT 2014 Workshop on the Current State of Libertarian Philosophy in Manchester UK in September.

As it happens, Kevin Carson has a more detailed post up on the same topic: What Is Left-Libertarianism?

Read them both – or be left out of all the cool conversations among the cool people in the corridors of counterpower!

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11 Responses to Cordial and Sanguine, Part 61: Whose Left? Which Libertarianism?

  1. IEIUNUS June 18, 2014 at 9:21 am #

    Ecce! I do feel like a serf to the heirs of Sam Walton who is oppressed as a direct consequence of “ownership of land by neo-feudal elites”! But, am I as a Walmart associate?

    “The minimum list of demands of left-libertarianism should include abolition of all artificial property rights, artificial scarcities, monopolies, entry barriers, regulatory cartels and subsidies, by which virtually the entire Fortune 500 gets the bulk of its profits” (my bolding): huzzah to the tear down of (artificial, or otherwise) “scarcities, monopolies, entry barriers, regulatory cartels and subsidies.” However, what information does Mr. Carson have to claim that practically every Fortune 500 company receives a “bulk”–however much that may come out to be–of their profit (or revenue?) from such “public-private partnerships?” Could you point me in the direction of solid evidence for this?

    This, nonetheless, is rather refreshing: “We on the Libertarian Left don’t want to be relegated to the catacombs, or be the modern-day equivalent of Jacobites sitting in the coffee houses and reminiscing about Bonnie Prince Charlie and the ’15. We don’t want to moan about how society is going to hell in a handbasket, while the majority of people fighting to change things for the better ignore us. We want our ideas to be at the center of struggles everywhere for justice and a better life. And we can only do this by treating the real concerns of actual people as if they’re worthy of respect, and showing how our ideas are relevant. This is what we aim to do.”

  2. Irfan Khawaja June 18, 2014 at 2:59 pm #

    This may be a project for an entirely new paper, but given (a) your invocation of Rand, and (b) the distance of left-libertarianism from Rand’s politics (or Objectivist politics generally), I think it’d be interesting to come up with an explanation for how you manaeg to be so heavily influenced by Rand, and yet end up espousing a politics so distant from hers.

    My own view is that the explanation is partly a matter of high philosophical disagreement at the level of doctrine (epistemology, ethics, etc.), partly a function of Rand’s tendency to conflate her idiosyncratic political views with Objectivism as such (where you might reject her view while agreeing with the doctrine), and partly institutional: the Objectivist movement today is institutionally set up so as to discourage freedom of thought and discussion in the Millian sense. The result is that it’s just replicated the same tired right-wing cliches ad nauseam for five decades now, giving the false impression that that politics is where Objectivism inevitably leads. The exact distribution of disagreement across these three dimensions is bound to be interesting. Maybe too much to describe in this particular paper, however.

  3. Irfan Khawaja June 18, 2014 at 3:00 pm #

    This may be a project for an entirely new paper, but given (a) your invocation of Rand, and (b) the distance of left-libertarianism from Rand’s politics (or Objectivist politics generally), I think it’d be interesting to come up with an explanation for how you manage to be so heavily influenced by Rand, and yet end up espousing a politics so distant from hers.

    My own view is that the explanation is partly a matter of high philosophical disagreement at the level of doctrine (epistemology, ethics, etc.), partly a function of Rand’s tendency to conflate her idiosyncratic political views with Objectivism as such (where you might reject her view while agreeing with the doctrine), and partly institutional: the Objectivist movement today is institutionally set up so as to discourage freedom of thought and discussion in the Millian sense. The result is that it’s just replicated the same tired right-wing cliches ad nauseam for five decades now, giving the false impression that that politics is where Objectivism inevitably leads. The exact distribution of disagreement across these three dimensions is bound to be interesting. Maybe too much to describe in this particular paper, however.

  4. D. F. Linton June 18, 2014 at 6:36 pm #

    J. M. Oliver argues in The New Libertarianism: Anarcho-Capitalism that Objectivism’s highest realization would be anarchocapitalism.

    I think left-libertarian anarchists would get a pass from most of the strongest critics of left/thick libertarianism: With left-libertarian anarchists you can be certain there will be no statist special cases. With left-libertarian statists there’s always the fear that you’re listening to some fascist wannabe who has learned to talk the talk.

    • Roderick June 18, 2014 at 6:50 pm #

      I think left-libertarian anarchists would get a pass from most of the strongest critics of left/thick libertarianism

      They don’t in fact seem to give us much of a pass though. Instead they repeatedly assert, without evidence and in spite of our denials, that we favour violating NAP to achieve our lefty goals.

      • Jason June 19, 2014 at 5:34 am #

        Instead they repeatedly assert, without evidence and in spite of our denials, that we favour violating NAP to achieve our lefty goals.

        Despite the fact that LLs are much more likely to be prison abolitionists, anti-IP, anti-punishment, and more unambiguously anti-war.

        • Gary Chartier June 19, 2014 at 12:15 pm #

          Three cheers for pointing this out!

  5. dennis June 22, 2014 at 11:00 pm #

    Is there any such thing as a thin libertarian in reality? I would wager that nearly every libertarian, if pushed would hold that certain values are closely linked to liberty. I see no reason to think a left libertarian would sell out liberty in favor of other considerations any faster than a right libertarian. There are some areas where I find myself in agreement with left libertarians, some areas where I think they raise interesting questions but go off the rails and some areas where I think they are wrong. But I have more sympathy toward their project than the Gary North type “libertarians” who would have me stoned to death in their ideal world.

    • D. F. Linton July 6, 2014 at 4:50 pm #

      Libertarians are all thick each in their own way.

      Each of us values things beyond the NIOF/NAP and we can be sure that value them as highly as we may that to use force to achieve them would be unjust and therefore impermissible.

      The problem is to trust that differently thick libertarians are not embarking on a game of chutes and ladders that ends again in fascism.

      I think that the work of Prof. Long which identifies just, non-violent responses to wrongs that are not injustices may be the way out of this thicket of distrust, not for all, but maybe for enough of us.

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