14 responses to “I Watched the Watchmen!”

  1. Jeff

    Safari MacIntosh

    Have you written anything on the ethics of Watchmen, Roderick? Because Watchmen seemed like a long ethics thought experiment to me, where each character’s strengths and weaknesses are directly linked to their ethical views.

    Ozymandias is a utilitarian, and it’s pretty obvious by the end the kind of monstrosities this view can be used to justify.

    Rorschach is a deontologist with a theory of punishment that leans strongly towards retributive justice. His lack of moral compromise is heroic, but his brand of justice is so brutal he actually does seems inhuman and a mentally unstable.

    The Comedian is a radical ethical egoist, and his vices are obvious; but at the end of his life hearing about the evils of Ozymandias’ plan forces him to reconsider his ethical presuppositions.

    Silk Spectre and Nite Owl, while they too have their flaws, ultimately come out being the most sympathetic characters. Their ethical system is the most Aristotelian; they recognize the virtue in the mean, and the vices in excess and deficiency. Like Rorschach, they do not stand idly by in the face of evil, but unlike him they are careful not to overreact.

    1. sarah

      Firefox 2.0.0.14 MacIntosh

      Nail on the head.

      Which is why my biggest disappointment was the way Veidt was portrayed in the movie. Snyder’s Veidt is an effeminate sleazebucket villain. (The lisp, the purple suit — he’s such a creep, he might even be gay! which is a bit of a nasty subtext.) Veidt really ought to be an almost plausible, successful, self-made idealist. He has a nice, open manner in the graphic novel. The point is that a rational, affable guy can believe that the right thing to do, the “hard choice,” is to kill a lot of people to save more. Movies aren’t great at ambiguity — so they villainized Veidt, and kind of heroized Rorschach and Dan and Laurie.

      I would also have liked to see more shots of early-80′s New York, in all its grimy and dangerous romance — but that’s just me, because that’s where my parents courted. An Elvis Costello soundtrack wouldn’t have hurt. (How about “Alison” in place of that horrendous “Hallelujah”?)

  2. Adam

    Firefox 3.0.8 MacIntosh

    Your thoughts mirror mine nearly exactly. The other great performance was Dreiberg, though none of the rest of the acting stood out. The Comedian’s delivery was downright awful at times.

    The ending being changed doesn’t bother me in principle, but its unclear why the US and USSR are suddenly friends afterward. Couldn’t the USSR just blame the US? What do they think they’re going to do against Manhattan or what his motives were (he just went crazy)? Most importantly, why would he have stopped attacking after just a few cities? The narrative implanted in the squid’s brain serves these functions in the comic book, but there’s no parallel here about manipulating the interpretation of the event.

    Under the Hood is awesome. Much better than Freighter. Sometimes though its obvious they filmed it with a new camera then did a mediocre job making it look old. They couldn’t find an old camera?

  3. Richard Garner

    MSIE 7.0 Windows XP

    I thought the change to the way Rorschach killed the kidnapper was unnecessary, too. I did not associate the original method with [i]Saw[/i], actually, but with [i]Mad Max[/i] – Max kills a guy the same way. And, hey, its been more than twenty years since [i]Mad Max[/i], and I still remember! And [i]Saw[/i] is a great film that should be remembered, too!

  4. Jesse Walker

    Firefox 3.0.1 MacIntosh

    Snyder likewise makes the main characters more like conventional superheroes than they are in the book – e.g., better fighting skills and less dorky costumes.

    I think this is much more than a gripe. It gets to the heart of what’s wrong with the movie. (This comes, of course, from someone who has a much lower opinion of the film than you do.)

  5. scats

    Firefox 3.0.8 MacIntosh

    Spot on youse guys. Even more than the nonsensical ending, the villainification of Veidt and superheroizing the other protagonists completely guts the movie of meaning. It’s pretty, but ultimately a hollow shell.

  6. Tom G

    Firefox 3.0.8 Windows XP

    After watching the movie – and it IS great, I thought – I realized that the changed ending (specifically who gets blamed for the “attack”) is simply not plausible….
    The villain already showed he could provoke an emotional response from Jon during the news interview – so why would he set Jon up as the scapegoat and IN HIS PRESENCE show that it was done? Highly risky to piss off a demi-god, in my humble opinion.

  7. Richard G.

    MSIE 7.0 Windows XP

    I think I’ll wait for the director’s cut, which is rumored to add something like an extra 40min or so.

    I just reread the collected edition a couple of months ago, which was only the second time that I had read the comic. The first time was not too long after the first trade paperback came out. Wow, did I ever miss a lot during the first reading. My own worldview has obviously changed after so many years, but also, I’ve been reading a couple of different “study guides” to the series, and they have been quite helpful in getting the most out of this landmark comic.

    BTW Roderick, I don’t believe that you ever gave a review of the Iron Man movie. I reckon that I’m not the only one interested in your take.

    Richard G.

  8. MBrown

    MSIE 6.0 Windows XP

    Interesting. Both your assessment, and the longer review you site pretty much match my feelings of the movie.

    And I think they better explain then I could why the changed ending wasn’t an improvement over the original.