12 responses to “How Inequality Shapes Our Lives, Part 2”

  1. T Barrett

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    There is a “refutation” of your original post at The Libertarian Standard as well. I posted a comment there agreeing with you and using a personal anecdote as illustration. The post author replied with one of the most utilitarian arguments I’ve seen: that Verizon (my ISP) simply has too many customers to enter into individual agreements with each. It would be cost prohibitive.

    Which in my mind begs the question of how big such a company would get in a freed, competitive market. Certainly not so big that they can begin dictating completely one-sided terms to any and all customers. I think part of the problem is that the author seems to assume that we currently have such a market.

  2. Lori

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    He also claims that landlords are easier to sue than tenants. I don’t know where that comes from. Process serving for consumer debts is one of the most routine functions of our legal system, and follows delinquency as sure as night follows day. It seems every right-libertarian argument is built to support the contention that big business is America’s most persecuted minority. A comment by one Silas Barta does explain something I’ve been complaining about for a while; that boilerplate, and sales and customer service tactics under actually-existing economic relations can be a means by which the assertive and extroverted extract economic surplus from the meek.

  3. Should We Care About Inequality? « Pileus

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    [...] involved currently, they often tilt things away from producers. Long’s response to Caplan is here. I tend to agree with Caplan that left-libertarians “make mountains of mole-hills, then [...]

  4. James

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    He’s responded again (http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/09/rod_replies.html), I left a comment

    “My thoughts:
    http://0welcometo1984.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/385/#more-385

    The summary: Long’s argument makes sense if people see the kind of contracts he describes as inferior goods, which is a reasonable enough assumption because they are low-quality and it’s possible to make higher-quality ones. We no doubt do have more recourse these days compared to an hundred years ago because we can afford it now.”

    You’re welcome to steal this IP of mine of you like :)

  5. Lori

    Firefox 3.6.10 Ubuntu/10.04

    I see contracts as a value-subtracted feature. This is why ‘no contract’ can be used as a selling point by vendors of prepaid services, such as the 3g dongle with which I am posting the present comment. Does that mean there’s nothing tyrannical about boilerplate? I’m with Long that there is something tyrannical about one-sided contracts. But, the implication as I see it is that under the market system, freedom itself is a commodity, and has a price. That contractual relationships in which the vendor has specific obligations to the customer are inevitably ‘high-end’ products illustrates not only that rank has its privileges, but that rank, like everything else under the market system, is for sale.

  6. David Gordon

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    Bryan Caplan’s response strikes me as stronger than you allow. In your original post, you argued that certain features of contracts reflect asymmetries of power which arise from government-created privileges that wouldn’t be present in a truly free market. This contention depends on the premise that people in a free market would be unlikely to make contracts with the features that you deplore. One of Caplan’s points is that this isn’t true. He hasn’t begged the question by assuming the existence of a truly free market, when the point of your post was to deny that a truly free market exists. Rather, he has thrown into question your assumption that the features of the contracts you criticize stem from differences in power.

  7. Lori

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    It looks to me as if Caplan is not questioning whether the contracts as drafted stem from differences in power, so much as he is defending differences in power, assuming ‘differences in power’ is what he means by ‘inequality.’ It’s certainly what ‘inequality’ means to me. Like much at the econlib blog it looks like a celebration of inequality; in this case saying customers benefit from ‘inequality’ in the form of lower prices. Sounds a lot like the Walmart PR to the effect that lower prices increase consumers’ standard of living, which sort of puts the cart before the horse, as earning is a prerequisite for saving. My own anagorist take on all this, again, is that under markets, equality (with other parties to a transaction, or equality of footing) is a privilege, not a right.

    1. JOR

      MSIE 8.0 Windows 7

      In the free market, rights are a privilege.

      Or, in other words, we do have a free market right now. The state is the Maximum Landlord/Employer. Do we have lower prices/higher wages with it than we would without it? Probably. But if we do it’s mostly because everyone in the western world is a net beneficiary of their states’ collusion with the oppression and extortion practiced on people elsewhere (particularly eastern and south-eastern Asia), not a direct result of ‘our’ states’ petty tyrannies in our own countries.

      If it’s true that the elite can only increase their power over workers by increasing wages, then Black American slaves or the laborers in the gulags should have been the highest-paid people in history. Their employers/landlords had far more power over over them than the elite of today’s corporate neoliberal nation-states have over theirs, after all.

  8. How Inequality Shapes Our Lives, Part 3

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    [...] Caplan has replied to my reply to his reply to my inequality [...]

  9. rmangum

    MSIE 8.0 Windows Vista

    Caplan wrote, “Under laissez-faire, service providers, landlords, and employers would be free to adopt double standards more lopsided than current law allows.” Indeed, they would be free to, but, facing more competition with less government-imposed barriers to enter the market, would they be able to do so successfully? It seems obvious that a restricted market adds a great deal of leverage on the side of employers/landlords. What’s remarkable about assumptions like Caplan’s about the nature of bargaining power in contracts on a free market is that it is exactly the same as the typical liberal/progressive view. If we’re concerned about inequality at all, or at least give inequality greater weight than low rents and high wages (he really seems to be arguing that markets are superior because of their inequality ), reading Caplan’s post should convince us of the need for regulation.

  10. Left vs Right, again… « Welcome to 1984

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    [...] debate so far: Long’s original post, Caplan’s response, round two, second [...]