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	<title>Austro-Athenian Empire &#187; Conflation Debate</title>
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	<description>&#34;Austro&#34; as in Rothbard and Wittgenstein, &#34;Athenian&#34; as in Aristotle and smashing-the-plutocracy.</description>
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		<title>To Serve and Protect</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Crispin Sartwell writes: perhaps it seems obvious that it is in the interests of poor people to have an extremely powerful and pervasive state; perhaps it seems obvious that it is in the interests of rich people to have a tiny powerless state. however, looking at the thing squarely, this is the opposite of obvious. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crispin Sartwell writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>perhaps it seems obvious that it is in the interests of poor people to have an extremely powerful and pervasive state; perhaps it seems obvious that it is in the interests of rich people to have a tiny powerless state. however, looking at the thing squarely, this is the opposite of obvious. it seems obvious because people keep repeating it or always conceive the terrain this way. but it&#8217;s just wackily false with regard to reality. who needs the state more: you know, robert rubin or rodney king?</p></blockquote>
<p>Read the <a href="http://eyeofthestorm.blogs.com/eye_of_the_storm/2012/01/opposite-of-obvious.html"><em>cel&yacute; piroh</em></a>.  (CHT <a href="http://radgeek.com/gt/2012/01/11/who-needs-the-state-more-robert-rubin-or-rodney-king">Charles</a>.)</p>
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		<title>Some Distinctions and Clarifications</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to talk a bit a bit some of the ways in which left-libertarian claims are susceptible of misinterpretation. (Note: when I use the term &#8220;right-libertarian&#8221; below, I mean &#8220;libertarians who deviate rightward from the C4SS/ALL plumbline&#8221;!) 1. Right-libertarians sometimes accuse left-libertarians of misrepresenting right-libertarians&#8217; relation to corporatism. &#8220;They say we support government favouritism [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to talk a bit a bit some of the ways in which left-libertarian claims are susceptible of misinterpretation.  (Note: when I use the term &#8220;right-libertarian&#8221; below, I mean &#8220;libertarians who deviate rightward from  the C4SS/ALL plumbline&#8221;!) </p>
<p>1. Right-libertarians sometimes accuse left-libertarians of misrepresenting right-libertarians&#8217; relation to corporatism.  &#8220;They say we support government favouritism toward big business,&#8221; they complain, &#8220;yet no libertarian supports any such thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>To answer this, I need to invoke the <em>de re</em> / <em>de dicto</em> distinction.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ozma-Oz-L-Frank-Baum/dp/0688066321/praxeologynet-20"><img src="http://aaeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ozma-1907-cover-218x300.jpg" alt="Ozma of Oz" title="Ozma of Oz" width="218" height="300" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-8449" /></a></p>
<p>Suppose I&#8217;m reading <em>Ozma of Oz</em>, and I think, &#8220;hey, this guy Baum is a good author.&#8221;  Assume I don&#8217;t know that Baum also wrote a novel (a lousy one, in fact, though that doesn&#8217;t matter for the example) called <em>The Master Key</em>.  Would it be true or false to say, &#8220;Roderick thinks the author of <em>The Master Key</em> is a good author&#8221;?</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s ambiguous.  I don&#8217;t have a thought of the form &#8220;The author of <em>The Master Key</em> is a good author,&#8221; since I&#8217;m not aware of any such book. But I do think <em>of</em> Baum that he&#8217;s a good author; and since Baum <em>is</em> the author of <em>The Master Key</em>, I thereby think <em>of</em> the author of <em>The Master Key</em> that he&#8217;s a good author.  So the philosopher&#8217;s way of marking the distinction is to say that I believe <em>de re</em> (&#8220;of the thing&#8221;), but not <em>de dicto</em> (&#8220;of what is said&#8221;), that the author of <em>The Master Key</em> is a good author.</p>
<p>Or again, suppose I want to marry Griselda.  And suppose Griselda is, unbeknownst to me, a pathological liar.  Then is it true or false that I want to marry a pathological liar?  Well, in one sense it&#8217;s true and in another sense it&#8217;s false.  I don&#8217;t have such a desire <em>de dicto</em>; I don&#8217;t form any thought expressible as &#8220;I want to marry a pathological liar.&#8221;  But I do have such a desire <em>de re</em>, since there&#8217;s a pathological liar that I want to marry.</p>
<p>So when left-libertarians accuse (some) right-libertarians of supporting corporatism, this is to be understood in a <em>de re</em> sense, not in a <em>de dicto</em> sense.  Thus the claim is that right-libertarians are supporting certain policies/institutions/phenomena that are <em>in fact</em> instances of corporatism; we are not claiming that right-libertarians are deliberately supporting them <em>qua</em> instances of corporatism &#8211; and so pointing out that they&#8217;re not is not relevant as a reply to the original point.</p>
<p>2.  The left-libertarian call for worker empowerment can itself be construed as a (left-wing) form of corporatism.</p>
<p>Lew Rockwell <a href="http://mises.org/daily/5752">recently wrote</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>[S]yndicalism means economic control by the producers. Capitalism is different. It places by virtue of market structures all control in the hands of the consumers. The only question for syndicalists, then, is which producers are going to enjoy political privilege. It might be the workers, but it can also be the largest corporations.</p></blockquote>
<div id="attachment_8450" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 195px"><a href="http://aaeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/lenin-worker-control.png"><img src="http://aaeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/lenin-worker-control-185x300.png" alt="not a left-libertarian" title="not a left-libertarian" width="185" height="300" class="size-medium wp-image-8450" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">not a left-libertarian</p></div>
<p>Lew doesn&#8217;t draw the inference that left-libertarians are corporatists, but he illuminates a way in which that inference might be drawn.  After all, we too favour economic control by producers, right?  So why doesn&#8217;t that make our position akin to corporatism?</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a perilous ambiguity here.  In one way, &#8220;economic control&#8221; can mean ownership; in that sense, we left-libertarians do favour economic control by producers. </p>
<p>But in <em>that</em> sense capitalists (taking that term in the Rothbardian sense) do <em>not</em> favour economic control by consumers; they favour economic control by producers too, even if capitalist employers loom larger in their conception of &#8220;producers&#8221; than in ours.</p>
<p>When Lew says that capitalism favours consumer control, he&#8217;s not talking about ownership; he means that consumer preferences determine production decisions through the price system &#8211; which is true enough (although I think that way of putting it makes producers seem too passive &#8211; what about advertising? entrepreneurial experimentation?) but that&#8217;s just as true when the producers are workers&#8217; co-ops.  So there&#8217;s no one sense of producer control which is <em>both</em> advocated by left-libertarians and akin to corporatism.</p>
<p>(These issues are closely related to those I&#8217;ve discussed under the name of the &#8220;POOTMOP&#8221; problem, <a href="http://aaeblog.net/2008/06/27/pootmop">here</a> and <a href="http://aaeblog.com/2009/06/22/pootmop-redux">here</a>, as well as to the different ways that the libertarian and authoritarian wings of the French <em>industriel</em> movement understood the concept of producer control, discussed <a href="http://aaeblog.com/2006/09/28/join-the-industrial-revolution">here</a>.)</p>
<p>3.  There is a tendency among right-libertarians to treat racism and sexism as equivalent to <em>hostility</em> toward persons of a different race or gender.  Thus where such hostility is absent, racism and sexism are presumed to be absent also &#8211; with the upshot that left-libertarians are seen as exaggerating the amount of racism and sexism around.</p>
<p><a href="http://aaeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/anti-japanese-sign.png"><img src="http://aaeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/anti-japanese-sign-300x199.png" alt="anti-Japanese sign" title="anti-Japanese sign" width="300" height="199" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-8451" /></a></p>
<p>For example, Walter Block <a href="http://mises.org/journals/jls/22_1/22_1_8.pdf">argues</a> that because heterosexual male employers are attracted to women, they are more likely to be prejudiced in their favour rather than against them.</p>
<p>But racism and sexism are found in more forms than simply that of hostility (not that there isn&#8217;t plenty of that form around too &#8211; and we all know, too well, that being a heterosexual male is not exactly an obstacle to hostility against women).  A white male employer who feels no hostility toward women or minorities may still be inclined to pay them less or deny them positions of authority if he holds, say, prejudicial expectations about their likely capacities.</p>
<p>But what if these expectations are rationally justified?  The problem is that they generally aren&#8217;t.  And the arguments on behalf of such expectations are so shockingly sloppy (as, <em>e.g.</em>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Myths-Gender-Biological-Theories-Revised/dp/0465047920/praxeologynet-20">Anne Fausto-Sterling shows</a>), and the historical track record of such arguments is <a href="http://aaeblog.com/2007/10/29/a-dark-faith">so wretched</a>, that an employer&#8217;s indulgence in such expectations is overwhelmingly likely to be the result of an irrational bias, most often one unconsciously absorbed from the culture.  In such cases we will say that the empoyer&#8217;s decision is shaped by racism or sexism &#8211; but in saying that, we are <em>not</em> (necessarily) saying that the employer is an evil, hate-filled person.  After all, by analogy:  most people are statists, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that most people are filled with hated for individual liberty. </p>
<p>Walter says in the same piece that the persistence of unjustified racist or sexist prejudices is unlikely, since &#8220;as we know from our study of business cycles, any such conglomeration of error cannot long endure without continued statist interference with markets.&#8221;  Now of course we <em>have</em> &#8220;continued statist interference with markets,&#8221; so for anything Walter says here we could still have plenty of prejudice in the real world.   But in any case I question the implied (and un-Austrian!) assumption that the market always gets us to equilibrium in the long run.  There&#8217;s a difference between saying that the market has a tendency to equilibrium and saying that the market eventually reaches equilibrium.  After all, everything on earth has a tendency to move toward the center of the earth, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that everything eventually gets to the center of the earth.  Culture matters; it&#8217;s not just an epiphenomenon of the price system.</p>
<p>And of course, <em>comme l&#8217;on dit</em>, &#8220;we are market forces.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Caffeinated Free-Market Anti-Capitalism</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Book Talk/Signing: 7:00 p.m., Wednesday, 30 November 2011, at the Gnu&#8217;s Room bookstore/caf&#233; in Auburn, Alabama Co-Editor Charles Johnson and major contributor Roderick Long to the book Markets Not Capitalism (2011) will be at The Gnu&#8217;s Room for a discussion of the topics addressed in the book. The economic crisis needs fresh new responses, which [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Book Talk/Signing:<br />
7:00 p.m., Wednesday, 30 November 2011, at the <a href="http://www.thegnusroom.com">Gnu&#8217;s Room</a> bookstore/caf&eacute; in Auburn, Alabama</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.minorcompositions.info/?p=230"><img src="http://aaeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/MarketsNotCapitalism.jpg" alt="Markets Not Capitalism" title="Markets Not Capitalism" width="170" height="255" class="alignright size-full wp-image-8395" /></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Co-Editor Charles Johnson and major contributor Roderick Long to the book <em>Markets Not Capitalism</em> (2011) will be at The Gnu&#8217;s Room for a discussion of the topics addressed in the book. The economic crisis needs fresh new responses, which emphasize the ways in which poverty and economic inequality have resulted from collusion between government and big business, which has enriched a few corporate giants at the expense of the rest of us. Rather than turning back to politics, the authors argue that working people must begin to free themselves of the mistakes of the past, and work together to take back control over their own lives and livelihoods through individual freedom, mutual exchange, and nonviolent grassroots social activism.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Manifesto Manifests, Manifestly</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles has an official announcement of the release of the C4SS/ALL anthology Markets Not Capitalism, along with: a table of contents an excerpt from the book two different links to buy it a link to read it online and a link to download it. So why are you still over here? Incidentally, the official release [...]]]></description>
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<p>Charles has an <a href="http://radgeek.com/gt/2011/10/14/markets-not-capitalism-1st-ed">official announcement</a> of the release of the C4SS/ALL anthology <strong><em>Markets Not Capitalism</em></strong>, along with:</p>
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<li>a table of contents</li>
<li>an excerpt from the book</li>
<li>two different links to buy it</li>
<li>a link to read it online</li>
<li>and a link to download it.</li>
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<p>So why are you still over here? </p>
<p>Incidentally, the official release date is &#8211; the Vth of November.  Dismember, dismember.</p>
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		<title>Even More Everywhere</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A two-for-one Molinari/C4SS/ALL punch in Counterpunch today! Kevin Carson explains why free-marketers should be Occupiers. Sheldon Richman explains why Occupiers should be free-marketers. In other news, Ross Kenyon&#8217;s Occupational activities continue to make the local paper and frighten Republicans. Our quest for world domination continues to continue &#8230;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A two-for-one Molinari/C4SS/ALL punch in <em>Counterpunch</em> today!</p>
<p>Kevin Carson explains <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/14/libertarians-and-occupy-wall-street">why free-marketers should be Occupiers</a>.</p>
<p>Sheldon Richman explains <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/14/wall-street-couldnt-have-done-it-alone">why Occupiers should be free-marketers</a>.</p>
<p>In other news, Ross Kenyon&#8217;s Occupational activities continue to <a href="http://www2.oanow.com/news/2011/oct/10/occupy-auburn-campus-florida-game-ar-2536606">make the local paper</a> and <a href="http://www.wings.to/oanews.html">frighten Republicans</a>.</p>
<p>Our quest for world domination continues to continue &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>We Are Everywhere</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Molinari/C4SS and ALL have a presence at next week&#8217;s Libertopia in San Diego, with presentations by Gary Chartier, Sheldon Richman, and your humble correspondent. Gary and I are also on an anarchism panel with David Friedman. We (Molinari/C4SS/ALL folks) also have a free-market anti-capitalist manifesto forthcoming: Markets Not Capitalism: Individualist Anarchism Against Bosses, Inequality, Corporate [...]]]></description>
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<li>Molinari/C4SS and ALL have a presence at next week&#8217;s <a href="http://libertopia.org">Libertopia</a> in San Diego, with presentations by Gary Chartier, Sheldon Richman, and your humble correspondent.  Gary and I are also on an anarchism panel with David Friedman.</li>
<li>We (Molinari/C4SS/ALL folks) also have a free-market anti-capitalist manifesto forthcoming:  <em><strong>Markets Not Capitalism: Individualist Anarchism Against Bosses, Inequality, Corporate Power, and Structural Poverty</strong></em>, edited by Gary Chartier and Charles Johnson, with contributions from &#8230; well, the usual suspects.  You can order an advance copy <a href="http://www.minorcompositions.info/?p=230">here</a> while checking out the endorsements from Ken MacLeod, Alexander Cockburn, Sean Gabb, and Bill Kaufmann. </li>
<li>Our own Ross Kenyon, the initial organiser of Occupy Auburn, <a href="http://www.theplainsman.com/view/full_story/16022736/article-Students-take-on-Wall-Street">gets press</a> in our student newspaper.</li>
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<p>Our quest for world domination continues!</p>
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		<title>The Revolution Comes to Auburn</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My comrade Ross Kenyon, of C4SS and ALL fame, is one of the organisers of Occupy Auburn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comrade Ross Kenyon, of C4SS and ALL fame, is one of the organisers of <a href="http://www2.oanow.com/news/2011/oct/08/occupy-wall-street-group-forms-auburn-ar-2527423">Occupy Auburn</a>.</p>
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		<title>Double Standard</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 22:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A picture like this could of course be made for libertarians too &#8211; showing libertarians with tax-funded educations walking on tax-funded streets, contacting each other via government postal monopoly, paying for their lunches with federally issued currency, etc. Libertarians understand why that would be a silly argument against anti-government protestors. They really should understand why [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A picture like <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/96254.html">this</a> could of course be made for libertarians too &#8211; showing libertarians with tax-funded educations walking on tax-funded streets, contacting each other via government postal monopoly, paying for their lunches with federally issued currency, etc.</p>
<p>Libertarians understand why that would be a silly argument against anti-government protestors.  They really <em>should</em> understand why the parallel argument against anti-corporate protestors is equally silly.</p>
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		<title>Cordial and Sanguine, Part 18</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2011/09/16/cordial-and-sanguine-part-18/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My BHL post on Ron Paul&#8217;s healthcare answer is receiving favourable comment from both Andrew Sullivan and the National Review, and less favourable comment from Matt Yglesias. (CHT Matt Zwolinski.) I posted the following comment at Yglesias&#8217;s blog: This response is pretty drastically missing my point. Suppose there are two possible ways of helping a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My <a href="http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/09/the-libertarian-three-step-program">BHL post on Ron Paul&#8217;s healthcare answer</a> is receiving favourable comment from both <a href="http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/09/how-ron-paul-should-have-answered.html">Andrew Sullivan</a> and the <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/277363/roderick-long-how-ron-paul-should-talk-about-health-insurance-reihan-salam"><em>National Review</em></a>, and less favourable comment from <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/09/15/320516/should-we-let-people-die-if-unrelated-government-policies-tend-to-drive-up-the-costs-of-health-care">Matt Yglesias</a>.  (CHT Matt Zwolinski.)  I posted the following comment at Yglesias&#8217;s blog:</p>
<blockquote><p>This response is pretty drastically missing my point.  Suppose there are two possible ways of helping a patient, one much more effective than the other.  The better way, A, is forbidden by law; the question is then asked whether the inferior way should be mandated by law.  The libertarian (or at least the good libertarian) says:  &#8220;no, don&#8217;t mandate B; instead, stop forbidding A.&#8221;  That hardly counts as saying the patient should die; on the contrary, the libertarian thinks (rightly or wrongly) that the patient is <em>less likely</em> to die if the government stops forbidding A. </p></blockquote>
<p><img src="http://aaeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/shock-doc-300x261.png" alt="Shock Treatment" title="Shock Treatment" width="300" height="261" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-8155" /></p>
<blockquote><p>Now what the conservative generally says is &#8220;don&#8217;t mandate B, but don&#8217;t stop forbidding A either.&#8221;  So I think it would be fair to charge the conservative with being willing to let people die.  But that&#8217;s just a different position.</p>
<p>Part of the problem here is that non-libertarians tend to treat &#8220;let&#8217;s do something about X&#8221; and &#8220;let&#8217;s have a government program for X&#8221; as equivalent, and so tend to hear anyone who rejects the latter as rejecting the former.  By contrast, libertarians generally think of governmental solutions as the <em>least</em> effective ones, and so for them treating &#8220;let&#8217;s do something about X&#8221; as equivalent to &#8220;let&#8217;s have a government program for X&#8221; would be like  treating &#8220;let&#8217;s do something about X&#8221; as equivalent to &#8220;let&#8217;s sacrifice some babies to the moon god in order to address X.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Cordial and Sanguine, Part 17</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2011/09/14/cordial-and-sanguine-part-17/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 03:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a new post up at BHL: The Libertarian Three-Step Program. It addresses good and bad ways of answering the healthcare question that Wolf Blitzer asked Ron Paul.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a new post up at BHL:  <a href="http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/09/the-libertarian-three-step-program"><strong>The Libertarian Three-Step Program</strong></a>.  It addresses good and bad ways of answering the healthcare question that Wolf Blitzer asked Ron Paul.</p>
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