Give and Take

10thAug. × ’12

Some One Must Give Orders - Some One Must Take Orders

(CHT Tennyson; click the pic for more.)

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14 Comments

  1. Posted August 10, 2012 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Firefox 14.0.1 MacIntosh

    Wow, that poster is excellent evidence of what nonsense anarchism is! Even private businesses recognize the need for authority.

    Good post, Roderick.

    • Posted August 11, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

      Firefox 13.0.1 Windows 7

      So, Gene, do you fancy yourself an order-giver or an order-taker?

      • Posted August 13, 2012 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

        Firefox 14.0.1 MacIntosh

        We each do each when appropriate.

        • Posted August 14, 2012 at 1:41 am | Permalink

          Safari MacIntosh

          Who decides which one is appropriate and when?

    • Anon73
      Posted August 11, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

      Firefox 14.0.1 Windows XP

      That part about the pay envelope reminded me of Long’s post “Without the gaolers we shall soon want for gruel”. Was that original or was it from a book or writing?

      • Posted August 11, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

        Firefox 13.0.1 Windows 7

        That sounds familiar, but which post was it?

      • Anon73
        Posted August 12, 2012 at 12:17 am | Permalink

        Firefox 14.0.1 Windows XP

        This seems to be it:

        http://aaeblog.com/2009/04/16/without-the-gaoler-we-should-soon-want-for-gruel/

        Also even if someone has to give orders and someone has to take them it doesn’t logically follow that those roles have to be fixed. Even in syndicalism leaders are elected monthly right?

        • Posted August 12, 2012 at 4:22 am | Permalink

          Safari MacIntosh

          But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting — by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of ….

        • Anon73
          Posted August 12, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

          Firefox 12.0 Linux

          The Python show had some good satire!

        • Posted August 12, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

          Firefox 13.0.1 Windows 7

          And by the way, yeah, I made up the gruel quote. I think.

        • Posted August 12, 2012 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

          Chromium 21.0.1180.75 Linux

          The Python show had some good satire!

          Not to nitpick too much, but that is from Holy Grail, not the show. Part of the theme of authority not being able to get through to peasantry. In that movie at least, poor peasants don’t give a damn about the problems of the king.

  2. Posted August 11, 2012 at 5:30 am | Permalink

    Firefox 12.0 MacIntosh

    Gene: anarchism really has to do with an absence of a ruler, not absence of a boss in employment.

    In a society of statist, government-monopolized rule, the individual must “obey” the illegitimate monopolist authority or go to jail. That is not related to whether or not the individual is free to work for a boss or choose to work elsewhere.

    But in an anarchist society, there is no artificial authority to rule over others, no artificial government monopoly that most of the people did not agree to live under.

    But the poster does show yet another reason why it is a good idea to be self-employed.

  3. P O'Callahan
    Posted August 11, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Chromium 20.0.1132.57 Linux

    Interesting anecdote of the decline of hierarchical production models: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/08/experience-going-indie

  4. Daniel G.
    Posted August 11, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Firefox 14.0.1 Windows 7

    A great counter example to the sentiment in the postcard (?) is the video game developer, Valve. Valve has been quite successful recently for games like Team Fortress 2 and Half-Life. The company basically doesn’t have a management structure.

    The survival guide for employees