9 responses to “The Logic of Marriage”

  1. dennis

    Firefox 3.6.13.NETCLR3.5.30729 Windows XP

    Letters like that might prompt an angry University of Alabama fan to poison you with herbicide. But I concur. The definition of marriage has changed countless times since the beginning of the Christian era.

  2. Justus

    Chrome 9.0.597.107 Windows Vista

    “If we were to apply that standard nowadays, we would have to say that there are no married couples in the United States today.”

    I would actually agree that there are no married couples in the United States today. At least, not any legally married ones. A marriage contract is no longer a contract; with today’s no-fault divorces and family courts that heavily favor women for custody, there’s nothing left of what Christians often call “the sanctity of marriage”. As I see it, if the Christians didn’t want marriage to be soiled by government, then they shouldn’t have ever supported government having anything to do with it.

    Personally, I see marriage and families as necessarily hierarchical, with a marriage contract designed to outline the responsibilities of each party involved. Marriage, I do believe, is perhaps different for straight couples than for gay couples, but only in that marriage should specifically outline provisions for having children together. When a gay couple adopts children, or receives them through some other contractual means, the situation surrounding those children will be outlined in that particular document, rather than in the marriage document.

    I see no reason why marriage should entitle a couple to any special treatment, nor do I believe that childless couples of any orientation are actually married. That’s really a subtle difference, and I’m fine with accepting a union of personal assets and property to stand for marriage.

  3. Justus

    Chrome 9.0.597.107 Windows Vista

    Hopefully, I remember to come back to this site to catch up on comments this time. Otherwise, Tennyson is gonna scold me again, haha.

  4. Terry Hulsey

    Firefox 3.6.15.NETCLR2.0.50727.NETCLR3.0.4506.2152.NETCLR3.5.30729 Windows XP

    If children were removed from consideration when defining marriage, then, yes, you can define it as whimsically as you like.
    However, marriage defines legal obligations less for the sake of the married couple than for their children. For this reason alone the marriage contract remains important regardless of the randiness of the couple and the serial polygamy of the public at large. The impermanence of the married union is irrelevant to the argument, except possibly to tar its defenders as hypocritical, since any children of the union endure.
    Similarly, to propose a separate legal document for children adopted by homosexuals, as Justus attempts (above), is contradictory for those who want a “non-traditional” definition of marriage. This attempt to excise children from the definition leaves marriage meaning… what? — A flatus vocis whose sole purpose is to anoint promiscuity with the dying fumes of respectability connoted by marriage.

  5. Petar

    Firefox 2.0.0.18, Windows XP

    As a moral nihilst, this argument fails to convince me.

  6. Michael Wiebe

    Chrome 10.0.648.127 Windows 7

    As a moral nihilst, this argument fails to convince me.

    A reductio ad absurdum of moral nihilism, if there ever was one.

    Anyway, Roderick, you’ve got to check this out: Bleeding Heart Libertarians.

  7. Justus

    Chrome 9.0.597.98 Windows 7

    Terry,

    I think you misunderstood what I meant. I actually agree with you completely. I was trying to point out that the entire purpose of marriage was to organize a contract to bear children. Personally, I believe it should return to that purpose, and exist alongside civil unions that relate more to a person and their partner.

    I’m not really sure what you meant in your last paragraph. I think a separate legal document for gay adoptions would be much more reasonable than trying to force every varying idea of relationships and child rearing into a one-size-fits-all box like marriage. Adoption is already a separate process from birthing a new life, so why not call a spade a spade?

    Ultimate breakdown of contractual agreements:
    Civil union – between people who choose to share their assets, regardless of sexual orientation (or number, for that matter)
    Marriage – for procreation
    Adoption – for adoption

    I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

  8. Terry Hulsey

    Firefox 3.6.15.NETCLR2.0.50727.NETCLR3.0.4506.2152.NETCLR3.5.30729 Windows XP

    Justus,
    I see. That seems reasonable.