6 responses to “The Kids Are Alright”

  1. Anon73

    Firefox 3.0.17.NETCLR3.5.30729 Windows XP

    The part about science is debatable; after all, one of the epistemic assumptions of science is that one can trust one’s own experiences of scientific experiments to be legitimate. Note, however, this doesn’t entail believing automatically whatever some self-proclaimed “scientists” have to say – replicability is another key aspect of science. For example, if it turns out AGW isn’t real then the scientific finding would have to be replicable and repeatable.

    Unfortunately I think I’ve ruled out evolutionary biology as “science” by these criteria. :)

    1. lukas

      Firefox 3.6 Windows 7

      No, you haven’t.

      But when a poll asks about science separate from personal experience, it probably means science as in “believe what those credentialed scientists tell you.”

    2. Anon73

      Firefox 3.0.17.NETCLR3.5.30729 Windows XP

      Sounds like a poorly worded question then.

      I once read an article by an atheist who quoted a Christian minister asking “Do you believe in Christ in your heart?” His response was to say, what would we mean by saying “Do you believe Napolean was defeated at Waterloo, in your heart?” or “Do you believe that water has a certain boiling point in your heart?”.

      1. JOR

        Firefox 3.5.7.NETCLR3.5.30729 Windows XP

        I’m pretty sure the water in my heart would boil at a certain point.

    3. Charles H.

      Firefox 3.5.7 MacIntosh

      “Unfortunately I think I’ve ruled out evolutionary biology as “science” by these criteria.”

      Why? I hope you’re not repeating a fallacious argument I’ve heard before: “science must be reproducible, and we can’t recreate human evolution/ the origin of life/ some other phenomenon, therefore anything we say about it isn’t science.” This stems from a lack of understanding of what “reproducible” means in this context.

      Forensic scientists don’t have to murder someone all over again to claim their science is “reproducible.” But if they have an experimental method for determining the blood type of blood samples from the crime scene, and they reveal that this sample was B+, then another, independent group of scientists must be able to use the same methods and come up with the same results.

      This is what makes science different from, say, a Magic 8-ball: each time it gives a different result, so the results of the Magic 8-ball “test” are not replicable.

      1. JOR

        Firefox 3.5.7.NETCLR3.5.30729 Windows XP

        I’ve encountered physicists who insist that biology isn’t a real science.