Comments on: Rand Unbound, Part 5

By: Roderick

Roderick — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:25:08 +0000

See my reply here.

By: MBH

MBH — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:28:39 +0000

Oops. That’s backwards.

Thymology is to analytic perception — since it’s concerned with of the world ideas — as praxeology is to synthetic perception — since it’s concerned with in the world action.

By: MBH

MBH — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:01:45 +0000

I shouldn’t say that monopolized currency “allows the parasites to hold-tight to taskmaster positions.” That’s ad hominem. It allows the pattern of parasitism to reproduce itself.

By: MBH

MBH — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:09:27 +0000

I think John Galt is a mindset. And in that way, he does exist ({cough}, Roderick, {cough}, Charles, {cough} etc.).

Conceptually, evilness and unhappiness are intertwined in implementation. Virtuousness and aliveness are inseparable in application.

I really like the point that Randians usually choose Keating over Roark. That is strange. It’s as if Rand is to the reader as Roark is to Keating. She indirectly offers an already-digested world-view that the reader adapts as their own.

I think that’s where hard-nosed philosophy becomes indispensable for Randians. It might be better to say that A=A is not the case everywhere in this world, but that A=A is merely the rule by which all possible worlds can hold form.

By: MBH

MBH — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:54:26 +0000

The Roarks and Dagnies believe that if they could just produce enough goods and services which appeal to the deep-interests of consumers, then the currency will follow. I think the taskmasters — consciously or unconsciously — position themselves to capitalize off the Roarks and Dagnies. What Rand failed to recognize was that money, or gold, or whatever — as a singular form of exchange — allows the parasites to hold-tight to taskmaster positions.

Roderick would suggest: a singular form of currency is the tool by which parasitism is reinforced. So the product of the mind isn’t valued properly, not because we’re off the gold standard, but because we aren’t allowed to select the standard by which we think valuations are best made.

By: Aster

Aster — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:02:41 +0000

That was her ideal, yes. Then why do the Roarks of reality languish in quarries until their body or their spirit breaks, while the right-capitalists who read Ayn Rand are their smugly pitiless taskmasters?

By: MBH

MBH — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:23:23 +0000

I actually think Rand can be defended here. You might distinguish between consumers’ superficial interests and consumers’ deep interests. Rand presents Roark as a character who creates in a way that coincides with consumers’ deep interests. And the nature of consumerism is that not everyone can access their deep interests. The reason is that most consumers are caught-up in superficial interests.

So, I think Rand is presenting Keating as someone who wants to connect to superficial interests. Roark wants to connect to deep interests.

For her, capitalism is supposed to be a system which encourages the deep interests to be met.

By: Aster

Aster — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:18:24 +0000

Word. And it a very sad commentary on Rand or upon the human species that her followers have faced this choice and nearly unanimously chosen Keating over Roark. The familiar Randian is a man who has seen la Boheme for the class points yet shows no evidence of having been touched by either the music or the libretto. If you go to the video lectures at the Ayn Rand Institute's website you will see speakers who approach complete conventionalism in habit, manner, and mind. The reality of mainstream business life where everything is about presentation, connexions, and pleasing others is swept under the table, denied and externalised so that corporate climbers can be presented as individualist icons. I've given copies of the Fountainhead to a few left-wing artists over the years. They responded with passion, it not uncritically. Meanwhile those who followed Rand's letter tolerate only fine artists who make exaggerated efforts to think like Republicans. Some of the trouble comes from Rand's selective perception of capitalism. I wonder how much of it points to capitalist reality. My mom's social-democratic convictions largely derive from her experience working as a scientist in both commercial and state-patronage settings; she tells me that watching the market and truth and freedom have a very iffy relation to each other. Everything I've ever seen has said the same, altho' I still think the problem is less with markets than with heirarchical organisations. That said, I've found the kind of romantic-socialists who believe that their emotions entitle them to your free lunches to at least as frustrating as the capitalist power addicts, even if they're well-intentioned. Both expect you to be giving trees, but with at least with the latter there are rules to hold on to, and you know where you stand. I don't think that John Galt exists. Ragnar Danneskjöld exists. He's unjust, in real life. But I don't care. I've never seen passionate and worldly justice, and would rather be evil and alive than virtuous and unhappy. And now, I cease existing for what may be the most intense week of my life. Goodbye for now.

By: Anon73

Anon73 — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:39:30 +0000

Slightly off-topic: Rand praised capitalism, yet in her books people like Peter Keating who stop at nothing to please the “whims” of consumers are depicted as sub-human. Odd, no?

By: Neera Badhwar

Neera Badhwar — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:02:22 +0000

I respond to this argument in my “Limited Unity of Virtue” in 2 ways:
1. the virtues exist only within domains, they don’t exist globally, and i accept that one virtue implies all within a domain. (But see below.)
2. suppose i’m just in matters of money, but also a coward in the face of physical danger. Then, when being just w. money requires courage, it’s not necessary that my cowardice prevail; my justice might trump my cowardice and, over time, spread into the domain of confronting physical dangers.
Actually, i’ve changed my mind about unity even within domains. All that justice in a domain requires is right understanding and strength w. respect to the other qualities, not virtue.