Er, no, Shakespeare’s father was NOT a government office holder. You are recasting the past in terms of the present; there were far fewer offices in those days, and many of those weren’t government ones (officers of the Crown). Shakespeare’s father held offices relating to his town.

No, Shakespeare was not raised in the ruling class but in the bourgeoisie – the nobility was the ruling class at the time. That is, burgesses and such did have power, but only within a limited sphere given by others for the convenience of those others, power which could be taken away if that turned out convenient. Just under a century later, in the run up to the Civil War, those others could no longer determine that in the same way.

Like Philip IV of France, say.

Meanwhile, I don’t see how somebody else’s possession of any number of advanced degrees has any influence on what I, personally, might have read. Then again, I’m a college dropout, as well as a loutish peasant, so of course I’m ignorant of such matters.

Since it’s perfectly true we can write whatever we want to by way of signatures, I remain:

Master of Cosmic Quiddities, Emperor of the East and West, History’s Greatest Lover,

And always,

Your Humble Servant.

I was merely sharing what modicum amount of info I had on the topic. If you’re looking for the Shakespearean Authorship Scholarship Crown, I gladly concede it to you as I am no such scholar, and I don’t think I ever gave any impression that I was or pretended to be. It’s clear to me that both you and Roderick are quite a bit more well read on the subject than myself.

My only point to Alex and Roderick is that contrary to some anti-Stratfordian claims that I’ve heard and contrary to some educators I was schooled by–based on what I have read and as was stated by the authors Alex linked–Shakespeare didn’t exactly grow up the Elizabethan equivalent of the son of a poor sharecropper, but did in fact have access to what could have been a decent formal education for that period by virtue of the fact that his father was a government office holder. (Leaving aside for the moment the human drive to educate oneself regardless of–or because of–one’s economic background.)

As to other anti-Stratfordian claims–hey, you got me, I have no quick and ready reply one way or another. Perhaps I’ll check out the sites you linked as my time allows.

Now speaking from from my own limited knowledge of Elizabethan theater history, it does seem to me that those plays were most likely written by someone who was an actor, and there is ample historic documentation of Shakespeare’s acting career, yes? I understand that Shakespeare churned out something like 7-10 plays per year, if not more, and they cranked out production of those babies like a play factory. They had little time for rehearsal, which was why each actor only received his own lines and the preceding cue line. (This also explains the use of iambic pentameter–the rhythm of the lines makes them much easier to memorize.)

It just seems to me that all that points to an author who was an experienced actor actively working in a theater company at the time the plays were written, which Shakespeare was. So far as I know Edward de Vere was essentially a producer, so I’m not sure if he had the kind of know-how of craft that the author of those plays demonstrates. I’m not sure that Francis Bacon ever had any theatrical experience. Christopher Marlowe? Maybe, but why the pen name after having already written plays under his own name?

In any case, this was all merely discussion between some people with a tangential interest in the subject. I don’t know about Alex or Roderick, but I don’t have any intention of presenting to the world some kind of “definitive” case on the Shakespeare authorship debate, so you can sleep easy tonight.

I tried to visit your website to possibly learn myself to your super-genius-troll level on this subject, but unfortunately you misspelled your website.

For future reference, .ecom is not a valid top-level generic domain name. What you want is .com

BTW, isn’t Joe Sobran a “leading anti-Stratfordian who’s published to enlightening effect”, since he published an Oxfordian book in 1997?

You’ve confused Bob with Alex here. You’ve confused me with Alex below.

Well, naturally you are free to do that. Of course, other people are free to draw the natural conclusion. If you’re not aware what message you’re sending, take a look through a bookstore and notice which books by Ph.D.s have “Ph.D.” after the author’s name and which books by Ph.D.’s don’t have “Ph.D.” after the author’s name, and what the differences between those two classes of books tend to be.

If you have a PhD and want to use your authority, go right ahead.

The quality of an argument is not determined by the credentials of the person propounding it.

But I notice you haven’t answered my question.

You didn’t ask me a question until now.

What have you read on the subject, besides David Kathman (PhD)’s website?

I’m not the one who mentioned Kathman’s website. I read quite a bit about the authorship issue, from both sides, a number of years ago. I don’t remember which works I read now. The point of this post wasn’t to take sides on the authorship issue anyway.

And I say this not because you have a different perspective from my own

I wasn’t talking about your differences from my perspective.

your posts involve such a heavy doses of projection and straw men

Please give an example of posts of mine involving “projection.”

As for straw men, I made just one passing comment to the effect that I’d read some anti-Stratfordian works (and no, I don’t remember which ones) that were indeed “sneering quite explicitly” at the class status of the “Stratford man.” How you’ve turned this into some major assault on your favourite authorities beats me. But whatever floats your boat, man.

Let’s get something straight here, shall we? I’ll sign may name the way I please. I spent fifteen years getting a PhD, and when I think the fact that I have one is relevant, I will sign my naming using it. If you have a PhD and want to use your authority, go right ahead.

But I notice you haven’t answered my question. What have you read on the subject, besides David Kathman (PhD)’s website?

Please enlighten us.

And I say this not because you have a different perspective from my own (which is usually a good thing), but because your posts involve such a heavy doses of projection and straw men. Here are your words:

“I’ve certainly seen many anti-Stratfordians (not all, by any means) sneering quite explicitly at the idea that a mere uneducated commoner like Shakespeare could have written the plays.”

Cite us some examples, please. Are you referring to George Greenwood? J.T. Looney? Charlton Ogburn? B.M. Ward? Kristen Linklater? Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens? These are all leading anti-Stratfordians, who have written to enlightening effect on the subject you are discoursing about. Do any of them, “sneer” in the manner you suggest?

Please do enlighten us.

Best Regards,

Roger Stritmatter
MA
PhD

Just what do you regard as being so “definitive” about the Kathman-Ross website? I’ve studied the authorship question for about twenty years now, and the only thing less definitive than David Kathman on the authorship question is Rush Limbaugh on social philosophy.

How are you measuring “definitive”?

Best Regards,

Roger Stritmatter