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		<title>By: Aster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aster</dc:creator>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m just here for the blueberry-chocolate cookie-cake; nobody listens to me.

But, speaking seriously, I&#039;m cautiously supportive of the idea of attempting to encourage individualist ideas via participation of &#039;blue statish&#039; sociopolitical institutions.  I think that libertarians are quite rational to be skeptical of the establishment, but healthy skepticism needn&#039;t entail puritanism.

Politics is, perhaps regrettably, and inevitable part of our rational animal condition, and there&#039;s little historical evidence to show that liberals who eschewed politics achieved more than those who did not.  The American Bill of Rights was an almost accidental product of Madison&#039;s political maneuvering vis a vis the antifederalist base and leadership.  As Starchild once pointed out to me, politicians below the imperial level aren&#039;t so much demons as people with an excessive desire to be liked by others.  I think a lot depends on the particular political culture; in America Republican Party and its Democratic Leadership Caucus mirror image are almost certainly  hopeless.  But I&#039;ve met San Francisco supervisors and Kiwi MPs who are human enough.  In New Zealand political arguments seem to be run by social science statististics.  That&#039;s a positivist and managerialist measure with built-in biases, but it&#039;s also a measure crucially open to factual persuasion.  Reasonable people can get somewhere with that, while reasonable people can&#039;t get anywhere with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi147.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.  In the long run preserving a society which accepts reason and science and the pursuit of happiness is more important than libertarianism, even purely for the sake of libertarianism.

I&#039;ve poked around a little at the idea getting involved in mainstream Kiwi politics, mainly because I know politics and I&#039;d like to expand my social network (and because in New Zealand secularists, sex workers, and sexual minorites are allowed in the door in the first place).  My neo-Dad runs a one-person private drug and alchohol counseling business which prepares expert witness reports for the defense in criminal court cases.  He&#039;s vocally frustrated and angered by the troglodytic nature of New Zealand&#039;s judicial culture and the system&#039;s perverse preference for punishment over readily available, more just, and vastly less expensive treatment options.  He wants to do a documentary exposing the system but needs funding, artistic types for the production, and one victim of the system willing to come forward and speak out.

I&#039;ve been trying to help connect him, as it&#039;s possible I could be of some use here, and if I could help get the project off the ground helping with the social infrastructure would be a great way to get some secretarial experience.  And it would certainly do more good than participating in any libertarian project I&#039;m aware of.  (I looked into joining NORML on Robyn Few&#039;s example, but their organisation is totally disfunctional, and their business is conducted with &lt;strong&gt;insanely&lt;/strong&gt; low regard for their own safety.)

Most centre-leftists I know do have principles, and fairly good principles- certainly, the &quot;Party of Principle&quot; is no more principled than the Democrats, despite the fact that the stakes are so low.  All too often, those who demand political innocence are usually naturalising their political investments while damning those of the other.  The same libertarians who engage progressives with fire-and-brimstone rhetoric for their support of the welfare state, public schools, or antidiscrimination laws shamelessly play race, class, and patriarchal cards while proclaiming that those aren&#039;t statist so they don&#039;t count.  The radical left does the same thing in reverse- so many progressives who pose as revolutionaries on the barricades insist on hushing up any serious criticism of academia, the civil service, and their associated professions which constitute their senior partners&#039; constituency and power base.  In the real world everyone who lives within our unjust structure participates within it and choosing your battles is to some degree inevitable.  As Austrians should be aware, time is inherently scare, and ultimately the most precious commodity we have.

I can only give two cheers for establishmentarianism, not least because accepting &#039;the art of the possible&#039; also means reconciling oneself with the fact that other people are realistically going to treat the freedom and tolerance I need to survive as ultimately expendable third priorities.  But wishing this was otherwise won&#039;t make the fact go away (including within libertarianism), and while asking others to do the right thing on principle does touchingly move a great many people, it will never motivate the numbers required for a change in consensus.  I think that given the failures the libertarian movement those who desire liberty should seek out socio-cultural groups who do have a close interest in preserving immediately necessary liberties, and proceed to try to expend liberty from there.  I know that this isn&#039;t perfect; it requires passing over personally tolerable injustices of friends and preparing oneself to see good people on the other side of the barricades.  But the current strategy for liberty just doesn&#039;t work, and under Rockwellians&#039; guidance the libertarian movement is in fact achieving the opposite of its stated principles by associating libertarianism with anti-intellectual cultural conservatism.  And the trouble with voices in the wilderness is that no one hears them; the Quixote ethos is famously bad at sustaining liberal democracy.

In the long run, I don&#039;t think that electoral politics are the best way to preserve a culture of liberty, and the primary value of libertarian engagement with the centre-left would be building trust and influencing internal cultures.  I don&#039;t agree with Charles Johnson&#039;s approach entirely, but he&#039;s entirely right to push the Ursula le Guin/Gandhi point that we have to be the change we want to see in the world.  We should create and maintain institutions appropriate to our situational needs which embody our values (and allow us to live them &lt;em&gt;now&lt;/em&gt;, powers-that-be be damned) above the long-distance shot of gaining positions from which one can write the macro rules; &#039;think globally, act locally&#039; maximises both our incentives and leverage.

It&#039;s also crucially necessary as a way to make sure that one&#039;s ideas are &lt;em&gt;right&lt;/em&gt;, and can in practice achieve one&#039;s desired results.  I think libertarians often overemphasise the role of formal rules in setting the stage for a genuinely open society; I find it just as important to understand a political movement by observation of what the people that comprise it and the nature of the social world which develops within it.  When many people- &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;especially women&lt;/a&gt;- look at libertarianism, they are thinking not so much about what a society governed by libertarian &lt;em&gt;rules&lt;/em&gt; would be like to live in, but what living in a society with these libertarian &lt;em&gt;people&lt;/em&gt; would be like to live in.  I think ultimately one needs both approaches, but the neglect of expressive sensibilities has encouraged an alienating 4chan libertarian atmosphere.  I agree with Arthur Silber that as long as libertarian ideals are wedded to a callous society there exist good reasons for most obsevers to feel more safe with the status quo.

Perhaps the best place to start might be to form something like a left-libertarian Mont Pelerin Society, and from there the cultivation of libertarian-progressive social, intellectual, cultural, political, and economic networks.  The social anarchist movement remains vital because it really has something to offer its bohemian youth constituency in terms of community and meaningful cultural life.  Social democrats do the same thing when they help out and educate like-minded people via the system.  Libertarianism by contrast is pretty cold to newcomers- wierdly, a movement championing a right to self-interest has developed a culture which doesn&#039;t offer the kind of valuable contact networks which most political cultures on all sides of the spectrum thrive on.  Fascists, conservatives, liberals, socialists, anarchists, feminists, etc. all offer this kind of community.  Libertarians usually don&#039;t, despite the fact that individualists more than anyone need to find people who share their values and whom they can trust to understand their ways of engaging with the world.  As Bishop Wilbur has noted, the social capital is all there and largely unused.  Kevin Carson certainly gets this sort of thing, and both prudence and empowerment would highly recommend brewing up real-life mutualist enterprises to implement and test his theories.  I&#039;m trying to do the same with my own mutualist pro-sex feminist start-up here in Wellington.  Theories, if they&#039;re true, show their truth by being mixed with reality.

~~~~~~~

To my eyes, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJnjcX8skXk&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this is the individualist remnant of the old libertarianism today&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m just here for the blueberry-chocolate cookie-cake; nobody listens to me.</p>
<p>But, speaking seriously, I&#8217;m cautiously supportive of the idea of attempting to encourage individualist ideas via participation of &#8216;blue statish&#8217; sociopolitical institutions.  I think that libertarians are quite rational to be skeptical of the establishment, but healthy skepticism needn&#8217;t entail puritanism.</p>
<p>Politics is, perhaps regrettably, and inevitable part of our rational animal condition, and there&#8217;s little historical evidence to show that liberals who eschewed politics achieved more than those who did not.  The American Bill of Rights was an almost accidental product of Madison&#8217;s political maneuvering vis a vis the antifederalist base and leadership.  As Starchild once pointed out to me, politicians below the imperial level aren&#8217;t so much demons as people with an excessive desire to be liked by others.  I think a lot depends on the particular political culture; in America Republican Party and its Democratic Leadership Caucus mirror image are almost certainly  hopeless.  But I&#8217;ve met San Francisco supervisors and Kiwi MPs who are human enough.  In New Zealand political arguments seem to be run by social science statististics.  That&#8217;s a positivist and managerialist measure with built-in biases, but it&#8217;s also a measure crucially open to factual persuasion.  Reasonable people can get somewhere with that, while reasonable people can&#8217;t get anywhere with <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi147.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>.  In the long run preserving a society which accepts reason and science and the pursuit of happiness is more important than libertarianism, even purely for the sake of libertarianism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve poked around a little at the idea getting involved in mainstream Kiwi politics, mainly because I know politics and I&#8217;d like to expand my social network (and because in New Zealand secularists, sex workers, and sexual minorites are allowed in the door in the first place).  My neo-Dad runs a one-person private drug and alchohol counseling business which prepares expert witness reports for the defense in criminal court cases.  He&#8217;s vocally frustrated and angered by the troglodytic nature of New Zealand&#8217;s judicial culture and the system&#8217;s perverse preference for punishment over readily available, more just, and vastly less expensive treatment options.  He wants to do a documentary exposing the system but needs funding, artistic types for the production, and one victim of the system willing to come forward and speak out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to help connect him, as it&#8217;s possible I could be of some use here, and if I could help get the project off the ground helping with the social infrastructure would be a great way to get some secretarial experience.  And it would certainly do more good than participating in any libertarian project I&#8217;m aware of.  (I looked into joining NORML on Robyn Few&#8217;s example, but their organisation is totally disfunctional, and their business is conducted with <strong>insanely</strong> low regard for their own safety.)</p>
<p>Most centre-leftists I know do have principles, and fairly good principles- certainly, the &#8220;Party of Principle&#8221; is no more principled than the Democrats, despite the fact that the stakes are so low.  All too often, those who demand political innocence are usually naturalising their political investments while damning those of the other.  The same libertarians who engage progressives with fire-and-brimstone rhetoric for their support of the welfare state, public schools, or antidiscrimination laws shamelessly play race, class, and patriarchal cards while proclaiming that those aren&#8217;t statist so they don&#8217;t count.  The radical left does the same thing in reverse- so many progressives who pose as revolutionaries on the barricades insist on hushing up any serious criticism of academia, the civil service, and their associated professions which constitute their senior partners&#8217; constituency and power base.  In the real world everyone who lives within our unjust structure participates within it and choosing your battles is to some degree inevitable.  As Austrians should be aware, time is inherently scare, and ultimately the most precious commodity we have.</p>
<p>I can only give two cheers for establishmentarianism, not least because accepting &#8216;the art of the possible&#8217; also means reconciling oneself with the fact that other people are realistically going to treat the freedom and tolerance I need to survive as ultimately expendable third priorities.  But wishing this was otherwise won&#8217;t make the fact go away (including within libertarianism), and while asking others to do the right thing on principle does touchingly move a great many people, it will never motivate the numbers required for a change in consensus.  I think that given the failures the libertarian movement those who desire liberty should seek out socio-cultural groups who do have a close interest in preserving immediately necessary liberties, and proceed to try to expend liberty from there.  I know that this isn&#8217;t perfect; it requires passing over personally tolerable injustices of friends and preparing oneself to see good people on the other side of the barricades.  But the current strategy for liberty just doesn&#8217;t work, and under Rockwellians&#8217; guidance the libertarian movement is in fact achieving the opposite of its stated principles by associating libertarianism with anti-intellectual cultural conservatism.  And the trouble with voices in the wilderness is that no one hears them; the Quixote ethos is famously bad at sustaining liberal democracy.</p>
<p>In the long run, I don&#8217;t think that electoral politics are the best way to preserve a culture of liberty, and the primary value of libertarian engagement with the centre-left would be building trust and influencing internal cultures.  I don&#8217;t agree with Charles Johnson&#8217;s approach entirely, but he&#8217;s entirely right to push the Ursula le Guin/Gandhi point that we have to be the change we want to see in the world.  We should create and maintain institutions appropriate to our situational needs which embody our values (and allow us to live them <em>now</em>, powers-that-be be damned) above the long-distance shot of gaining positions from which one can write the macro rules; &#8216;think globally, act locally&#8217; maximises both our incentives and leverage.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also crucially necessary as a way to make sure that one&#8217;s ideas are <em>right</em>, and can in practice achieve one&#8217;s desired results.  I think libertarians often overemphasise the role of formal rules in setting the stage for a genuinely open society; I find it just as important to understand a political movement by observation of what the people that comprise it and the nature of the social world which develops within it.  When many people- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="nofollow">especially women</a>- look at libertarianism, they are thinking not so much about what a society governed by libertarian <em>rules</em> would be like to live in, but what living in a society with these libertarian <em>people</em> would be like to live in.  I think ultimately one needs both approaches, but the neglect of expressive sensibilities has encouraged an alienating 4chan libertarian atmosphere.  I agree with Arthur Silber that as long as libertarian ideals are wedded to a callous society there exist good reasons for most obsevers to feel more safe with the status quo.</p>
<p>Perhaps the best place to start might be to form something like a left-libertarian Mont Pelerin Society, and from there the cultivation of libertarian-progressive social, intellectual, cultural, political, and economic networks.  The social anarchist movement remains vital because it really has something to offer its bohemian youth constituency in terms of community and meaningful cultural life.  Social democrats do the same thing when they help out and educate like-minded people via the system.  Libertarianism by contrast is pretty cold to newcomers- wierdly, a movement championing a right to self-interest has developed a culture which doesn&#8217;t offer the kind of valuable contact networks which most political cultures on all sides of the spectrum thrive on.  Fascists, conservatives, liberals, socialists, anarchists, feminists, etc. all offer this kind of community.  Libertarians usually don&#8217;t, despite the fact that individualists more than anyone need to find people who share their values and whom they can trust to understand their ways of engaging with the world.  As Bishop Wilbur has noted, the social capital is all there and largely unused.  Kevin Carson certainly gets this sort of thing, and both prudence and empowerment would highly recommend brewing up real-life mutualist enterprises to implement and test his theories.  I&#8217;m trying to do the same with my own mutualist pro-sex feminist start-up here in Wellington.  Theories, if they&#8217;re true, show their truth by being mixed with reality.</p>
<p>~~~~~~~</p>
<p>To my eyes, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJnjcX8skXk&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">this is the individualist remnant of the old libertarianism today</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Aster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please forgive Soviet.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbTS7320n64&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;He&#039;s a barbarian.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please forgive Soviet.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbTS7320n64" rel="nofollow">He&#8217;s a barbarian.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Soviet Onion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soviet Onion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But  . . . she&#039;s . . . Canadian &lt;em&gt;(shudders)&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: Aster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shadia Drury is a brilliant liberal critic of Leo Strauss who is more than a little Straussian herself.  She&#039;s &lt;strong&gt;exactly&lt;/strong&gt; the kind of mind we desperately need if we are going to preserve liberal democracy.  She&#039;s also &lt;strong&gt;way&lt;/strong&gt; hot (listen to her voice on the interviews at her site).

And, yeah, she also has bourgeois class hypocrisies.  Her idea of appeasing conservative society by keeping social liberalism a private (read: privileged) affair is almost a precise echo of Allan Bloom&#039;s praxis, adjusted for the needs of the centre-left side of the establishment.  Camille Paglia (and, I am given to understand, Martha Nussbaum) took precisely the same tack. (sighs) Oh, well.  What can you do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shadia Drury is a brilliant liberal critic of Leo Strauss who is more than a little Straussian herself.  She&#8217;s <strong>exactly</strong> the kind of mind we desperately need if we are going to preserve liberal democracy.  She&#8217;s also <strong>way</strong> hot (listen to her voice on the interviews at her site).</p>
<p>And, yeah, she also has bourgeois class hypocrisies.  Her idea of appeasing conservative society by keeping social liberalism a private (read: privileged) affair is almost a precise echo of Allan Bloom&#8217;s praxis, adjusted for the needs of the centre-left side of the establishment.  Camille Paglia (and, I am given to understand, Martha Nussbaum) took precisely the same tack. (sighs) Oh, well.  What can you do?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon73</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any particularly reason for choosing Drury?</description>
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		<title>By: Aster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://phil.uregina.ca/CRC/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The wise need to encourage a centre-left hegemony in order to preserve liberal civilisation&lt;/a&gt;.  You may entrust &lt;em&gt;us&lt;/em&gt; with power.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-_JhRJ0tWA&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Really.&lt;/a&gt;  Our motives are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/King-Leopolds-Ghost-Heroism-Colonial/dp/0618001905&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;entirely humanitarian&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nothing but good&lt;/a&gt; can come of it.  Our gang can do it better!   Well, better than &lt;a href=&quot;http://unobtainium.com/allard/DnD.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that&lt;/a&gt;, anyway.

Must... conceal... manaical... laughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  <a href="http://phil.uregina.ca/CRC/" rel="nofollow">The wise need to encourage a centre-left hegemony in order to preserve liberal civilisation</a>.  You may entrust <em>us</em> with power.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-_JhRJ0tWA&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">Really.</a>  Our motives are <a href="http://www.amazon.com/King-Leopolds-Ghost-Heroism-Colonial/dp/0618001905" rel="nofollow">entirely humanitarian</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charn" rel="nofollow">nothing but good</a> can come of it.  Our gang can do it better!   Well, better than <a href="http://unobtainium.com/allard/DnD.htm" rel="nofollow">that</a>, anyway.</p>
<p>Must&#8230; conceal&#8230; manaical&#8230; laughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Aster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://phil.uregina.ca/CRC/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The wise need to encourage a centre-left hegemony in order to preserve liberal civilisation&lt;/a&gt;.  You may entrust &lt;em&gt;us&lt;/em&gt; with power.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-_JhRJ0tWA&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Really.&lt;/a&gt;  Our motives are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/King-Leopolds-Ghost-Heroism-Colonial/dp/0618001905&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;entirely humanitarian&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nothing but good&lt;/a&gt; can come of it.  Our gang can do it better!   Well, better than &lt;a href=&quot;http://unobtainium.com/allard/DnD.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that&lt;/a&gt;, anyway.

Must... conceal... manaical... laughter. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhfTsXSlFjc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;;)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  <a href="http://phil.uregina.ca/CRC/" rel="nofollow">The wise need to encourage a centre-left hegemony in order to preserve liberal civilisation</a>.  You may entrust <em>us</em> with power.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-_JhRJ0tWA&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">Really.</a>  Our motives are <a href="http://www.amazon.com/King-Leopolds-Ghost-Heroism-Colonial/dp/0618001905" rel="nofollow">entirely humanitarian</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charn" rel="nofollow">nothing but good</a> can come of it.  Our gang can do it better!   Well, better than <a href="http://unobtainium.com/allard/DnD.htm" rel="nofollow">that</a>, anyway.</p>
<p>Must&#8230; conceal&#8230; manaical&#8230; laughter. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhfTsXSlFjc" rel="nofollow"> <img src='http://aaeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </a></p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)</description>
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		<title>By: Roderick</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2010/01/21/taking-back-the-lp-for-those-who-want-it/comment-page-1/#comment-355086</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saruman, for example.  :-)</description>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2010/01/21/taking-back-the-lp-for-those-who-want-it/comment-page-1/#comment-355085</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some would say that it takes radicals in office to get rid of the ring.</description>
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