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		<title>By: John Petrie</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2010/01/03/dragonriders-of-venus/comment-page-1/#comment-354657</link>
		<dc:creator>John Petrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Long,

Here is an article about 10 possible sources of inspiration for &lt;i&gt;Avatar&lt;/i&gt;. It includes a few of the stories and novels mentioned in your post and the comments thread, so I thought you (and your SF-enthusiast readers) would find it interesting:
http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2009/12/10-possible-sources-of-avatar-in.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Long,</p>
<p>Here is an article about 10 possible sources of inspiration for <i>Avatar</i>. It includes a few of the stories and novels mentioned in your post and the comments thread, so I thought you (and your SF-enthusiast readers) would find it interesting:<br />
<a href="http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2009/12/10-possible-sources-of-avatar-in.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2009/12/10-possible-sources-of-avatar-in.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joel Schlosberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Schlosberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that&#039;s gratifying about Avatar is that it gets *more* anti-militarist as it goes on, whereas most recent American movies that have some anti-militarist themes not only put such themes early in the movie but backpedal them by the end -- Iron Man is a prototypical example.  I&#039;ve got to agree with Jesse Walker&#039;s recent article about political themes in recent superhero movies, that the very ambiguity of the political messages in these movies in a country as politically divides as America is today is part of the point:
http://reason.com/archives/2009/05/05/the-politics-of-superheroes
It so happens that one of the recent movies that can be interpreted as either pro- or anti-war (though not a genre movie) is by one of Cameron&#039;s collaborators, Kathryn Bigelow&#039;s The Hurt Locker; which opens with a quote by antiwar author Chris Hedges (&quot;The rush of battle is a potent and often lethal addiction, for war is a drug.&quot;), that can be read either as a critique of war or as simply acknowledging the harsh realites of war.  And Japanese science fiction tends to be much more unambiguously anti-militarist than American science fiction, as one would expect from its history; check out Shotaro Ishinomori&#039;s manga series &quot;Cyborg 009&quot; for an example of just how antiwar they can get.

Cameron&#039;s own films are somewhat ambiguous on the issue of war -- there are strong antiwar themes in many of the films, especially The Abyss and the anti-nuclear war stuff in the Terminator movies, but on the other hand, there&#039;s an appreciation of heroic combat; he scripted the 2nd Rambo movie, and the fighter planes in True Lies were even supplied by the US military; actor Michael Biehn&#039;s roles in Cameron&#039;s films have included both heroic military characters (in T1 and Aliens) and a villainous one (in The Abyss, where his character, a military officer who&#039;s predisposed to view an alien culture as hostile and winds up attacking one that turns out to be friendly, is a clear predecessor for Stephen Lang&#039;s character in Avatar).  And Aliens combines a high level of violence and tropes from military science fiction (including some from Starship Troopers) with an overall leftist political view, and a jaundiced view of corporations in particular (&quot;You know, Burke, I don&#039;t know which species is worse. You don&#039;t see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage.&quot;), in much the manner of leftist action movies like Robocop and Billy Jack.  I found a quote from Cameron that summarizes his views quite nicely (and it&#039;s funny to google this and see how people seem to think that &quot;antiwar&quot; is synonymous with &quot;liberal&quot;, saying that it proves Avatar is &quot;Decidedly Liberal&quot;, &quot;Not Right-Wing Friendly&quot;, and &quot;a Big, Dull, America-Hating, PC Revenge Fantasy&quot;):

&quot;It’s also a move about peace, from a guy who admits to paramilitary impulses. &#039;I have an absolute reverence for men who have a sense of duty, courage,&#039; he said. &#039;But I’m also a child of the &#039;60s. There’s a part of me who wants to put a daisy in the end of the gun barrel. I believe in peace through superior firepower, but on the other hand I abhor the abuse of power and creeping imperialism disguised as patriotism. Some of these things you can’t raise without being called unpatriotic, but I think it’s very patriotic to question a system that needs to be corralled, or it becomes Rome.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that&#8217;s gratifying about Avatar is that it gets *more* anti-militarist as it goes on, whereas most recent American movies that have some anti-militarist themes not only put such themes early in the movie but backpedal them by the end &#8212; Iron Man is a prototypical example.  I&#8217;ve got to agree with Jesse Walker&#8217;s recent article about political themes in recent superhero movies, that the very ambiguity of the political messages in these movies in a country as politically divides as America is today is part of the point:<br />
<a href="http://reason.com/archives/2009/05/05/the-politics-of-superheroes" rel="nofollow">http://reason.com/archives/2009/05/05/the-politics-of-superheroes</a><br />
It so happens that one of the recent movies that can be interpreted as either pro- or anti-war (though not a genre movie) is by one of Cameron&#8217;s collaborators, Kathryn Bigelow&#8217;s The Hurt Locker; which opens with a quote by antiwar author Chris Hedges (&#8220;The rush of battle is a potent and often lethal addiction, for war is a drug.&#8221;), that can be read either as a critique of war or as simply acknowledging the harsh realites of war.  And Japanese science fiction tends to be much more unambiguously anti-militarist than American science fiction, as one would expect from its history; check out Shotaro Ishinomori&#8217;s manga series &#8220;Cyborg 009&#8243; for an example of just how antiwar they can get.</p>
<p>Cameron&#8217;s own films are somewhat ambiguous on the issue of war &#8212; there are strong antiwar themes in many of the films, especially The Abyss and the anti-nuclear war stuff in the Terminator movies, but on the other hand, there&#8217;s an appreciation of heroic combat; he scripted the 2nd Rambo movie, and the fighter planes in True Lies were even supplied by the US military; actor Michael Biehn&#8217;s roles in Cameron&#8217;s films have included both heroic military characters (in T1 and Aliens) and a villainous one (in The Abyss, where his character, a military officer who&#8217;s predisposed to view an alien culture as hostile and winds up attacking one that turns out to be friendly, is a clear predecessor for Stephen Lang&#8217;s character in Avatar).  And Aliens combines a high level of violence and tropes from military science fiction (including some from Starship Troopers) with an overall leftist political view, and a jaundiced view of corporations in particular (&#8220;You know, Burke, I don&#8217;t know which species is worse. You don&#8217;t see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage.&#8221;), in much the manner of leftist action movies like Robocop and Billy Jack.  I found a quote from Cameron that summarizes his views quite nicely (and it&#8217;s funny to google this and see how people seem to think that &#8220;antiwar&#8221; is synonymous with &#8220;liberal&#8221;, saying that it proves Avatar is &#8220;Decidedly Liberal&#8221;, &#8220;Not Right-Wing Friendly&#8221;, and &#8220;a Big, Dull, America-Hating, PC Revenge Fantasy&#8221;):</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s also a move about peace, from a guy who admits to paramilitary impulses. &#8216;I have an absolute reverence for men who have a sense of duty, courage,&#8217; he said. &#8216;But I’m also a child of the &#8217;60s. There’s a part of me who wants to put a daisy in the end of the gun barrel. I believe in peace through superior firepower, but on the other hand I abhor the abuse of power and creeping imperialism disguised as patriotism. Some of these things you can’t raise without being called unpatriotic, but I think it’s very patriotic to question a system that needs to be corralled, or it becomes Rome.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Schlosberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Schlosberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Desertion&quot; (which was actually published in 1944, although the book version of &quot;City&quot; was first published in 1952) has one of the best endings of any science fiction story.  It tuns out that the dog&#039;s intelligence is augmented enough that it&#039;s sentient and can communicate telepathically the human, and the last few lines are:

&quot;&#039;I can&#039;t go back,&#039; said Towser.

&#039;Nor I,&#039; said Fowler.

&#039;The would turn me back into a dog,&#039; said Towser.

&#039;And me,&#039; said Fowler, &quot;back into a man.&#039;&quot;

And &quot;Call Me Joe&quot; also uses the device of projection to explore the question of what it really means to be human; the magazine blurb was, &quot;If someone could just work out a definition for the term &#039;human being,&#039; maybe we could decide whether or not Joe really was human, in the end.&quot;

Anyway, I&#039;ve long thought that Simak is very underrated in terms of libertarian themes in his work.  &quot;The Big Front Yard&quot; is all about how trade leads to peace.  The beginning of &quot;City&quot; is one of the very few science fiction stories (such as Jack Williamson&#039;s &quot;The Equalizer&quot;) that posit that in the future cities would become technologically obsolete, leading to a back-to-the-land return to rural life (and in general, Simak&#039;s stories have a rural quality that&#039;s rare in the genre, influenced by his Midwestern background).  And &quot;Empire&quot; is about the struggle to overthrow a tyrannical government whose political power is based on a monopoly over energy production with a cheap and decentralized source of energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Desertion&#8221; (which was actually published in 1944, although the book version of &#8220;City&#8221; was first published in 1952) has one of the best endings of any science fiction story.  It tuns out that the dog&#8217;s intelligence is augmented enough that it&#8217;s sentient and can communicate telepathically the human, and the last few lines are:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;I can&#8217;t go back,&#8217; said Towser.</p>
<p>&#8216;Nor I,&#8217; said Fowler.</p>
<p>&#8216;The would turn me back into a dog,&#8217; said Towser.</p>
<p>&#8216;And me,&#8217; said Fowler, &#8220;back into a man.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>And &#8220;Call Me Joe&#8221; also uses the device of projection to explore the question of what it really means to be human; the magazine blurb was, &#8220;If someone could just work out a definition for the term &#8216;human being,&#8217; maybe we could decide whether or not Joe really was human, in the end.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve long thought that Simak is very underrated in terms of libertarian themes in his work.  &#8220;The Big Front Yard&#8221; is all about how trade leads to peace.  The beginning of &#8220;City&#8221; is one of the very few science fiction stories (such as Jack Williamson&#8217;s &#8220;The Equalizer&#8221;) that posit that in the future cities would become technologically obsolete, leading to a back-to-the-land return to rural life (and in general, Simak&#8217;s stories have a rural quality that&#8217;s rare in the genre, influenced by his Midwestern background).  And &#8220;Empire&#8221; is about the struggle to overthrow a tyrannical government whose political power is based on a monopoly over energy production with a cheap and decentralized source of energy.</p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for reminding me that the Mises.org comments section is, if anything, even more silly and stupid than the one over at Hit &amp; Run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reminding me that the Mises.org comments section is, if anything, even more silly and stupid than the one over at Hit &amp; Run.</p>
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		<title>By: TokyoTom</title>
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		<dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the ERB and Anne McCaffrey references. I`m also reminded of LeGuin`s &quot;The Word for World is Forest&quot;, and of  short story (by Sheri Grasser?) about a world where colonists find themselves improved by linking to the world-wide hyphal net.

I would note that Stephan Kinsella also posted a review, specifically from a protect-your-property-rights perspective that was somewhat surprising:

http://blog.mises.org/archives/011295.asp#c647091</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the ERB and Anne McCaffrey references. I`m also reminded of LeGuin`s &#8220;The Word for World is Forest&#8221;, and of  short story (by Sheri Grasser?) about a world where colonists find themselves improved by linking to the world-wide hyphal net.</p>
<p>I would note that Stephan Kinsella also posted a review, specifically from a protect-your-property-rights perspective that was somewhat surprising:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/011295.asp#c647091" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mises.org/archives/011295.asp#c647091</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments about being in a wheelchair reminded me strongly of the character of  James Finnegan/Ahira in the Guardians of the Flame fantasy series by Joel Rosenberg. James is a wheelchair bound geek who plays AD&amp;D with his friends. The first novel in the series shows them tricked into the fantasy world they &quot;played&quot; in, and Ahira becomes his dream character - a strapping warrior dwarf. 
The novel does spend part of the time dealing with how Ahira loves his transformation.
Not sure whether you&#039;ve read this series, but it also has the group freeing a dragon, and then ridding the land they are in of slavery in later novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments about being in a wheelchair reminded me strongly of the character of  James Finnegan/Ahira in the Guardians of the Flame fantasy series by Joel Rosenberg. James is a wheelchair bound geek who plays AD&amp;D with his friends. The first novel in the series shows them tricked into the fantasy world they &#8220;played&#8221; in, and Ahira becomes his dream character &#8211; a strapping warrior dwarf.<br />
The novel does spend part of the time dealing with how Ahira loves his transformation.<br />
Not sure whether you&#8217;ve read this series, but it also has the group freeing a dragon, and then ridding the land they are in of slavery in later novels.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to see a sci-fi flick that &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; call its shots 2 hours in advance check out Shane Carruth&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390384/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Primer&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to see a sci-fi flick that <em>doesn&#8217;t</em> call its shots 2 hours in advance check out Shane Carruth&#8217;s <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390384/" rel="nofollow">Primer</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I tracked it down; it&#039;s Clifford Simak&#039;s &quot;Desertion.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I tracked it down; it&#8217;s Clifford Simak&#8217;s &#8220;Desertion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also recall reading a 1950s/60s-era story of a man (not disabled IIRC) and his &lt;em&gt;dog&lt;/em&gt; exploring some hostile planetary environment (maybe Jupiter again) in artificially projected bodies (as energy forms, maybe?) and finding such delightful freedom that they never come back. Ring any bells?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also recall reading a 1950s/60s-era story of a man (not disabled IIRC) and his <em>dog</em> exploring some hostile planetary environment (maybe Jupiter again) in artificially projected bodies (as energy forms, maybe?) and finding such delightful freedom that they never come back. Ring any bells?</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Adams III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clyde Adams III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of a disabled man pursuing an active mission with a substitute body reminded me forcibly of Poul Anderson&#039;s 1957 novella &quot;Call Me Joe.&quot;  I find I am not the first to note the parallel between that story and Avatar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of a disabled man pursuing an active mission with a substitute body reminded me forcibly of Poul Anderson&#8217;s 1957 novella &#8220;Call Me Joe.&#8221;  I find I am not the first to note the parallel between that story and Avatar:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_Joe" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_Joe</a></p>
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