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	<title>Comments on: Libertaria&#324;ski Feminizm!</title>
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	<description>&#34;Austro&#34; as in Rothbard and Wittgenstein, &#34;Athenian&#34; as in Aristotle and smashing-the-plutocracy.</description>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/11/30/libertariaski-feminizm/comment-page-1/#comment-354012</link>
		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how that rant is a response to me at all. I guess you agree with me that the Libertarian Movement is full of mutually hostile cranks; all the stuff about New Zealand leading up to your closing statement seems like a huge non sequitur, anyway, since if human interests are in essential disharmony without a state, they remain that way with a state (which is just a bunch of people with all their essentially disharmonious interests). If you&#039;re comparing New Zealand to America, with America supposedly being some paradise of individual freedom according to Teh Libertarianz, however you visualize them and their ideal society - well, America probably isn&#039;t any less statist than New Zealand, in any case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how that rant is a response to me at all. I guess you agree with me that the Libertarian Movement is full of mutually hostile cranks; all the stuff about New Zealand leading up to your closing statement seems like a huge non sequitur, anyway, since if human interests are in essential disharmony without a state, they remain that way with a state (which is just a bunch of people with all their essentially disharmonious interests). If you&#8217;re comparing New Zealand to America, with America supposedly being some paradise of individual freedom according to Teh Libertarianz, however you visualize them and their ideal society &#8211; well, America probably isn&#8217;t any less statist than New Zealand, in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: Aster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish to visit Holland, Germany, and Sweden myself.  What is it with the high correlation between mature liberal democracies and dismal meteorology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to visit Holland, Germany, and Sweden myself.  What is it with the high correlation between mature liberal democracies and dismal meteorology?</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, New Zealand&#039;s better than Canada on taxes but that ain&#039;t sayin&#039; much.

I think the best country I&#039;ve investigated on that is the UAE. Unless you own a foreign bank or an import business, you&#039;re not paying anything except the occasional sales tax...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, New Zealand&#8217;s better than Canada on taxes but that ain&#8217;t sayin&#8217; much.</p>
<p>I think the best country I&#8217;ve investigated on that is the UAE. Unless you own a foreign bank or an import business, you&#8217;re not paying anything except the occasional sales tax&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aster</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/11/30/libertariaski-feminizm/comment-page-1/#comment-354009</link>
		<dc:creator>Aster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon-

Very well, but please understand that if your political philosophy openly places low priority on the conditions for my survival and flourishing, then it cannot expect me to place a higher priority on its&#039; constituencies&#039; flourishing.  If you associate with enemies who can grievously hurt me, then please do not be offended if I associate with enemies who could grieviously hurt you.  I don&#039;t like this situation, but I will do what I can with it without further shame.  If libertarianism was ever willing to institutionally guarantee (by written or unwritten constitution) the rights of ethnic or cultural minorities &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt; as well as &lt;i&gt;de jure&lt;/i&gt;, then I would feel differently.

That said, you duel fairly, and I&#039;ll trust that the devil is well represented.  What do you wish to know about New Zealand?  I&#039;ve not a clue as regards property taxes, as I have difficulty imagining trusting a city enough to become tied to property, and have generally related to landlords as class enemies.  You could try writing to the Libertarianz, if you relate well to Objectivists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon-</p>
<p>Very well, but please understand that if your political philosophy openly places low priority on the conditions for my survival and flourishing, then it cannot expect me to place a higher priority on its&#8217; constituencies&#8217; flourishing.  If you associate with enemies who can grievously hurt me, then please do not be offended if I associate with enemies who could grieviously hurt you.  I don&#8217;t like this situation, but I will do what I can with it without further shame.  If libertarianism was ever willing to institutionally guarantee (by written or unwritten constitution) the rights of ethnic or cultural minorities <i>de facto</i> as well as <i>de jure</i>, then I would feel differently.</p>
<p>That said, you duel fairly, and I&#8217;ll trust that the devil is well represented.  What do you wish to know about New Zealand?  I&#8217;ve not a clue as regards property taxes, as I have difficulty imagining trusting a city enough to become tied to property, and have generally related to landlords as class enemies.  You could try writing to the Libertarianz, if you relate well to Objectivists.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t blame you for thinking that I would be intolerant or what have you, because I enjoy playing devil&#039;s advocate too much.

It&#039;s true that I don&#039;t think that the issue you  mentioned have anything to do with libertarianism as a political philosophy and I think there are a lot of issues int he world that need far more immediate attention by libertarians.

But beyond that, whatever anybody wants to do is fine by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t blame you for thinking that I would be intolerant or what have you, because I enjoy playing devil&#8217;s advocate too much.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that I don&#8217;t think that the issue you  mentioned have anything to do with libertarianism as a political philosophy and I think there are a lot of issues int he world that need far more immediate attention by libertarians.</p>
<p>But beyond that, whatever anybody wants to do is fine by me.</p>
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		<title>By: Aster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The social environment is leftist enough that I can be happy, and that a fair degree of tolerance is a social expectation, at least in Auckland and Wellington.  Much of this stems from New Zealand&#039;s identity as a working class country with a lot of &quot;firsts&quot; in cultural progress (first country to extend voting rights to women, to elect a transgendered state legislator, to decriminalise prostitution, etc.)  To a moderate degree it is a legal expectation, which has limited direct effect but significantly alters the prevelant social and contractual expectations.  The Wellington tenancy tribunal is staffed by social democrats.

My impression was that this state of affairs was not to your liking.  If I am wrong in this, then I offer my sincere apology.  If you support a society where (noncoercive) social standards promote respectful acceptance of everyone regardless of race, sex, sexuality, bohemian lifestyle, etc., then I&#039;d love to see you here, and be happy to answer any questions you have about this country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The social environment is leftist enough that I can be happy, and that a fair degree of tolerance is a social expectation, at least in Auckland and Wellington.  Much of this stems from New Zealand&#8217;s identity as a working class country with a lot of &#8220;firsts&#8221; in cultural progress (first country to extend voting rights to women, to elect a transgendered state legislator, to decriminalise prostitution, etc.)  To a moderate degree it is a legal expectation, which has limited direct effect but significantly alters the prevelant social and contractual expectations.  The Wellington tenancy tribunal is staffed by social democrats.</p>
<p>My impression was that this state of affairs was not to your liking.  If I am wrong in this, then I offer my sincere apology.  If you support a society where (noncoercive) social standards promote respectful acceptance of everyone regardless of race, sex, sexuality, bohemian lifestyle, etc., then I&#8217;d love to see you here, and be happy to answer any questions you have about this country.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too many taxes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many taxes?</p>
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		<title>By: Aster</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/11/30/libertariaski-feminizm/comment-page-1/#comment-354005</link>
		<dc:creator>Aster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you&#039;d like it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d like it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought about living in New Zealand. How are the taxes? Are there property taxes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about living in New Zealand. How are the taxes? Are there property taxes?</p>
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		<title>By: Aster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regret to inform you that I&#039;ve already found a general.  The armies of darkness are still partially in studio.

As for the new order:

http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/humanrightsenvironment/humanrightsinnewzealand/billofrightsact.php

http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/humanrightsenvironment/humanrightsinnewzealand/humanrightsact.php

I would have little trouble finding a friendly lawyer and know individuals with positive personal experiences with the Human Rights Commission.  Look upon my works ye mighty and despair.

Of course I would prefer a society in which organised opposition to premodern tribal heirarchies is maintained by libertarian means.  But no such society exists at the moment, and no libertarian society exists which doesn&#039;t enable nonstate oppression.  And politics exists for human individuals, not human individuals for politics.  I&#039;ll defend a world I find worth living in, against libertarians if necessary.  And I must say that at this point I&#039;d find a deep personal satisfaction in seeing some paleolibertarian landlord or employer fall under the Commission&#039;s scrutiny.  Oh, I&#039;d technically disapprove on principle, but emotionally I&#039;d like to see them given a Palestinian hanging.  Or you can do unbearable things to people with nothing but a bare hand.

But then, New Zealand does not practice open torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regret to inform you that I&#8217;ve already found a general.  The armies of darkness are still partially in studio.</p>
<p>As for the new order:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/humanrightsenvironment/humanrightsinnewzealand/billofrightsact.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/humanrightsenvironment/humanrightsinnewzealand/billofrightsact.php</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/humanrightsenvironment/humanrightsinnewzealand/humanrightsact.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/humanrightsenvironment/humanrightsinnewzealand/humanrightsact.php</a></p>
<p>I would have little trouble finding a friendly lawyer and know individuals with positive personal experiences with the Human Rights Commission.  Look upon my works ye mighty and despair.</p>
<p>Of course I would prefer a society in which organised opposition to premodern tribal heirarchies is maintained by libertarian means.  But no such society exists at the moment, and no libertarian society exists which doesn&#8217;t enable nonstate oppression.  And politics exists for human individuals, not human individuals for politics.  I&#8217;ll defend a world I find worth living in, against libertarians if necessary.  And I must say that at this point I&#8217;d find a deep personal satisfaction in seeing some paleolibertarian landlord or employer fall under the Commission&#8217;s scrutiny.  Oh, I&#8217;d technically disapprove on principle, but emotionally I&#8217;d like to see them given a Palestinian hanging.  Or you can do unbearable things to people with nothing but a bare hand.</p>
<p>But then, New Zealand does not practice open torture.</p>
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