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	<title>Comments on: Rothbard vs. Plotinus</title>
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	<description>&#34;Austro&#34; as in Rothbard and Wittgenstein, &#34;Athenian&#34; as in Aristotle and smashing-the-plutocracy.</description>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/10/26/rothbard-vs-plotinus/comment-page-1/#comment-353807</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: smally</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/10/26/rothbard-vs-plotinus/comment-page-1/#comment-353806</link>
		<dc:creator>smally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MBH, have you by any chance read &lt;a href=&quot;http://praxeology.net/unblog05-05.htm#02&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roderick&#039;s exchange with Kevin Vallier on mind-brain stuff&lt;/a&gt;?

I hesitate to answer, since I&#039;m not really on top of this philosophy stuff, but I doubt Roderick would agree with the analogy you quote. It sounds like it&#039;s describing substance dualism, whereas in the exchange I linked above Roderick writes that the mind is the form of the brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MBH, have you by any chance read <a href="http://praxeology.net/unblog05-05.htm#02" rel="nofollow">Roderick&#8217;s exchange with Kevin Vallier on mind-brain stuff</a>?</p>
<p>I hesitate to answer, since I&#8217;m not really on top of this philosophy stuff, but I doubt Roderick would agree with the analogy you quote. It sounds like it&#8217;s describing substance dualism, whereas in the exchange I linked above Roderick writes that the mind is the form of the brain.</p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/10/26/rothbard-vs-plotinus/comment-page-1/#comment-353805</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like processing information into actionable intelligence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like processing information into actionable intelligence?</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Callahan</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/10/26/rothbard-vs-plotinus/comment-page-1/#comment-353803</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sound the mind is some substance in the atmosphere that the brain sucks in and converts to something else?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sound the mind is some substance in the atmosphere that the brain sucks in and converts to something else?!</p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/10/26/rothbard-vs-plotinus/comment-page-1/#comment-353801</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother, there is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdq577iClbU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a way out&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother, there is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdq577iClbU" rel="nofollow">a way out</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/10/26/rothbard-vs-plotinus/comment-page-1/#comment-353800</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me ask it this way:

I took an online critical thinking class months ago.  The text book framed the mind/body distinction this way:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Mind is to brain as oxygen is to the lungs.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Would you agree with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me ask it this way:</p>
<p>I took an online critical thinking class months ago.  The text book framed the mind/body distinction this way:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Mind is to brain as oxygen is to the lungs.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Would you agree with that?</p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/10/26/rothbard-vs-plotinus/comment-page-1/#comment-353799</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is (and I do agree with you), then Rothbard is identifying &lt;i&gt;three&lt;/i&gt; senses of alienation.

(1) Metaphysical separation
(2) Power separation
(3) Species separation

I think he conflates (1) and (3).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is (and I do agree with you), then Rothbard is identifying <i>three</i> senses of alienation.</p>
<p>(1) Metaphysical separation<br />
(2) Power separation<br />
(3) Species separation</p>
<p>I think he conflates (1) and (3).</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/10/26/rothbard-vs-plotinus/comment-page-1/#comment-353798</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;It is this cosmic metaphysical separateness that lies at the heart of the Marxian concept of &quot;alienation,&quot; and not, as we might now think, personal griping about not controlling the operation of one&#039;s factory, or about lack of access to wealth or political power. Alienation is a cosmic condition and not a psychological complaint.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Isn&#039;t that dealing with the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;It is this cosmic metaphysical separateness that lies at the heart of the Marxian concept of &#8220;alienation,&#8221; and not, as we might now think, personal griping about not controlling the operation of one&#8217;s factory, or about lack of access to wealth or political power. Alienation is a cosmic condition and not a psychological complaint.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that dealing with the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/10/26/rothbard-vs-plotinus/comment-page-1/#comment-353797</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...the problem of &quot;alienation,&quot; is an atheistic version of the selfsame religion&#039;s metaphysical grievance at the entire created universe.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Man is now permanently &quot;alienated&quot; from God, the fundamental alienation; and also from other men, and from nature.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;It is this cosmic metaphysical separateness that lies at the heart of the Marxian concept of &quot;alienation,&quot; and not, as we might now think, personal griping about not controlling the operation of one&#039;s factory, or about lack of access to wealth or political power. Alienation is a cosmic condition and not a psychological complaint. For the reabsorptionists, the crucial problems of the world come not from moral failure but from the essential nature of creation itself.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t see where he explicitly distinguishes two senses of alienation.  These three quotes reference the same sense.  

I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; though see a hint of another sense in his explanation of &quot;the way out offered by the reabsorptionists.&quot;  

&lt;i&gt;...all this &quot;perfecting&quot; and &quot;reuniting&quot; obviously takes place only on a species-collectivist level. The individual man is nothing, a mere cell in the great, collective-organism man...&lt;/i&gt;

So, implicitly, he&#039;s saying that alienation is (1) a metaphysical separation and (2) a species separation.  

But why would anyone &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; either one?  Sure you could try to identify species unification with evil collectivism.  But how the hell is &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; right?  

Doesn&#039;t the objectification-of-people derive from (2)?  I mean, historically speaking, haven&#039;t the &quot;lesser&quot; people been ones who end up enslaved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;the problem of &#8220;alienation,&#8221; is an atheistic version of the selfsame religion&#8217;s metaphysical grievance at the entire created universe.</i></p>
<p><i>Man is now permanently &#8220;alienated&#8221; from God, the fundamental alienation; and also from other men, and from nature.</i></p>
<p><i>It is this cosmic metaphysical separateness that lies at the heart of the Marxian concept of &#8220;alienation,&#8221; and not, as we might now think, personal griping about not controlling the operation of one&#8217;s factory, or about lack of access to wealth or political power. Alienation is a cosmic condition and not a psychological complaint. For the reabsorptionists, the crucial problems of the world come not from moral failure but from the essential nature of creation itself.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see where he explicitly distinguishes two senses of alienation.  These three quotes reference the same sense.  </p>
<p>I <i>do</i> though see a hint of another sense in his explanation of &#8220;the way out offered by the reabsorptionists.&#8221;  </p>
<p><i>&#8230;all this &#8220;perfecting&#8221; and &#8220;reuniting&#8221; obviously takes place only on a species-collectivist level. The individual man is nothing, a mere cell in the great, collective-organism man&#8230;</i></p>
<p>So, implicitly, he&#8217;s saying that alienation is (1) a metaphysical separation and (2) a species separation.  </p>
<p>But why would anyone <i>want</i> either one?  Sure you could try to identify species unification with evil collectivism.  But how the hell is <i>that</i> right?  </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t the objectification-of-people derive from (2)?  I mean, historically speaking, haven&#8217;t the &#8220;lesser&#8221; people been ones who end up enslaved?</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/10/26/rothbard-vs-plotinus/comment-page-1/#comment-353796</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sergio, yes, I&#039;ve heard that before. I was trying to explain what&#039;s in the article Rothbard wrote, and he does address the differences between the two concepts of alienation that you talk about in that piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergio, yes, I&#8217;ve heard that before. I was trying to explain what&#8217;s in the article Rothbard wrote, and he does address the differences between the two concepts of alienation that you talk about in that piece.</p>
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