48 responses to “Best Defense”

  1. Scott Bieser

    Firefox 3.0.12.NETCLR3.5.30729 Windows Vista

    Unfortunately the American public has been programmed by thousands of hours or “copaganda” shows to regard the police as almost uniformly heroic, if not angelic, and the only thing standing between us and violent chaos.

    It is the Curse of Quinn Martin.

  2. Neil Parille

    MSIE 7.0 Windows Vista

    I’m not sure what to make of the police officer’s conduct, but I find it interesting that apparently the first words from Gate were that he was a Harvard professor (big deal) and the cop was a racist.

    So apparently profiling in reverse.

  3. Stewart

    Firefox 3.5.1 MacIntosh

    Great post–I’ll be passing this one around.

    1. Brandon

      Firefox 9.04jauntyShiretoko Linux

      Please use pingbacks for this kind of reply. It looks like spam, and might be deleted if I feel like it.

  4. Brandon

    Firefox 9.04jauntyShiretoko Linux

    I read the account on written by the cop. If the cop is right, Gates is insane. He instantly began screaming after the cop spoke to him. Now, that is assuming the cop’s account is accurate, which it isn’t, and neither is Gates’ account. If anybody thinks there’s such a thing as an unbiased report, see a movie called “Rashomon“.
    This is a Canadian sentiment, but I can’t see anyone around here behaving the way Gates supposedly did. We’d do exactly what the cop wanted. I was once pulled over with an expired license plate sticker (hadn’t got around to buying a new one for $74), invalid driver’s license, invalid insurance (wrong address in both cases), and admitted it all to the cop without her asking any of this. She gave me some instructions on how to update the info and let me go without the fines. But that’s Canada, and I’m not crazy (I wouldn’t drag someone’s mother into an argument).

    1. Gary Chartier

      Firefox 3.5.1 MacIntosh

      That may be Brandon–we needn’t regard the behavior of Gates-as-described-by-the-cop as exemplary. But so what? I don’t get to use force against you because you’re rude, impolite, incoherent, etc. Neither, therefore, does anyone else, whether or not she or he wears a badge or not.

      1. Brandon

        Firefox 9.04jauntyShiretoko Linux

        I never said it was justified, but I don’t find it surprising that engaging in a screaming match with a cop would get someone arrested no matter their race.

        1. Mike D.

          Firefox 3.0.12 MacIntosh

          Right, but as Gary said, “So what?” I don’t think the outrage being expressed at this case (at least by libertarians) is based on the results being atypical. Rather, the results are very much typical of how government police react in situations like this. In fact, that’s a large part of the problem. Government police very often (more often than not?) violate the rights of innocent people. Merely pointing out that this “should be expected” does nothing to negate the fact that it is unethical.

  5. b-psycho

    Firefox 3.0.12.NETCLR3.5.30729 Windows Vista

    It sucks that the racial aspect of this is completely shoving aside discussion of the police-as-authoritarian-assholes part.

    Of course someone mistaken for a burglar while entering their own home is going to be angry, why is vocally making ones displeasure at that known even remotely an arrestable offense?

    1. Otto Kerner

      Firefox 3.0.12 Windows XP

      I agree that you shouldn’t be arrested for getting angry at a cop, but why is it “of course” that someone would be angry over being mistaken for an intruder? If someone thought somebody was trying to break into my house, I wouldn’t want them to just ignore it. If it was me all along, then all that happened is that a police officer stops by and asks me a few questions. I don’t see anything to be angry about. I guess I could get angry thinking, “If I did get angry, you’d might arrest me just for being angry, which isn’t a good reason, you bastard!” but that makes me a little dizzy thinking about it.

    2. Neverfox

      Firefox 3.0.10 Windows Vista

      Of course someone mistaken for a burglar while entering their own home is going to be angry, why is vocally making ones displeasure at that known even remotely an arrestable offense?

      Well, one argument that I’ve heard is that Gates’ behavior and the gathering crowd would be enough to make the arrest legitimate under the logic of “threat to incite a riot”. There are some libertarians who take inciting a riot as a legitimate form of aggression in the right context (for example Stephan Kinsella, contra Rothbard and Block, argues that intentionally using a crowd as a means would count). The question then become is the context right? Was it reasonable for the officer to assume that Gates’ behavior intended to draw a violent public response. From what I can tell, I don’t think so. Of course, one might press the point that incitement can be negligent but I’m not sure it makes sense to have a category of potentially negligent for something so indirect.

      Of course, a growing crowd seems to me to be exactly what a well-functioning legal system should welcome for the accountability that it provides; it keeps all activity above board and on the record. Think of how often the police try to stop being filmed or watched by passersby. Also, the arrest itself could incite ill-will with a crowd sympathetic to the “perp” (after all isn’t that what the cop is claiming he is worried about?), so unless the police are planning to arrest themselves, it sounds like an open-ended excuse.

  6. Vichy

    Firefox 3.0.12 Windows XP

    The police are the most useless, and offensive, branch of the government. They’re all Sir Humphrey Applebys with guns – whatever happens, it’s always YOUR fault. And if, by some miracle, it’s not – well, it’s not theirs either.

  7. Kevin Carson

    Firefox 3.0.12 MacIntosh

    It’s quite possible that Gates was being something of an asshole. But as Roderick, Gary and several others have said, so what? The cop figured out the guy really was in his own home, and it was a mistaken call. And I seriously doubt the cop felt in danger from an aging college professor with a cane. And the point is, Gates was being an asshole toward an intruder in his own friggin’ house, which he has every right to do. So all we’re left with, as a defense of the cop, is that he had some superior right to respect and deference over and above what he would have been entitled to as an ordinary human being, and Gates displayed insufficient obsesiance to the aura of majesty that surrounds the state’s servants. If an ordinary non-uniformed stranger wanders into my house in the mistaken belief that he’s protecting the owner against a burglary, and I scream at him, I’m within my rights. But when the stranger bears the mystical authority of a uniform and badge, i cease to have any rights in my own home. As R.A. Wilson predicted years ago, it has become unlawful to resist even unlawful arrest, because there is–to mix my allusions–one law for the lion and one for the lamb.

    1. Gary Chartier

      Firefox 3.5.1 MacIntosh

      Right—and it’s that mystical authority that’s really at issue here. In my local paper yesterday, I saw a story noting that cops react differently to verbal challenges, insults, etc.: some take such behavior in stride, while others “have zero tolerance.” But it seemed, at least at first glance, as if the article operated from the premise that, if cops did choose to “tolerate” other people’s exercise of their free speech rights, this was some kind of noblesse oblige on their part–that of course in principle they had every right to attack and confine people who didn’t kow-tow to them sufficiently. That’s the really troubling message here: don’t you dare stand up to a cop!

  8. Neil Parille

    MSIE 7.0 Windows Vista

    I do not believe the cop was an ‘intruder.’ He entered the property because he received a call that 2 men were breaking into the house. When he got there he saw only 1 man (Gates). So he had to do an investigation to make sure that the man he met was not an intruder and that no one in the house was being hurt by the other potential intruder.

    So I think Gates was under an obligation to cooperate (or at least not intefere) so that the cop could do his investigation and leave if the call was a mistake.

    What I find interesting is that there had apparently been break-ins in the area and Gates’ door didn’t close because of a previous break-in attempt. You’d think given that scenario Gates wouldn’t jump to conclusions and would, on the contrary, be grateful that a neighbor called the police.

    1. Gary Chartier

      Firefox 3.5.1 MacIntosh

      I’m not sure what the source of Gate’s obligation to cooperation or not interfere in this case would be. But let’s say there was one? Again, I’m not sure what follows. By the time the arrest took place, the officer knew, apparently, that no further investigation was necessary, that Gates was, indeed, the occupant of the home rather than an intruder. So, unless I’ve mis understood the situation, it seems clear that the failure to cooperate (actively or passively) wasn’t the basis of the arrest, but rather Gates’s purported belligerence (=legitimate exercise of his free speech rights).

      1. Stephan Kinsella

        Firefox 3.5.1 MacIntosh

        Gary: “I’m not sure what the source of Gate’s obligation to cooperation or not interfere in this case would be.”

        Well, as a statist he has consented to what it does to him–arguably. No?

        1. Gary Chartier

          Firefox 3.5.1 MacIntosh

          Touché, Stephan, though I have no idea what Gates’s considered views of state authority are. Since I think his statism is mistaken, I think he doesn’t have the relevant sort of obligation, objectively speaking, but you’re quite right that he might be acting in a manner inconsistent with some of his own views by not acknowledging the authority of a state agent.

        2. Stephan Kinsella

          Safari MacIntosh

          Gary, next time, say, “well played,” instead of touche’. It’s a bit more hip.

        3. Gary Chartier

          Firefox 3.5.1 MacIntosh

          Hip? Don’t all the cool kids say “hep”?

  9. Neil Parille

    MSIE 7.0 Windows Vista

    He was arrested for disorderly conduct, stemming from his conduct at the end. This looks excessive to me since, as you point out, the investigation was over.

    If the officers are telling the truth, it looks like Gates was egging them on. I hope they release the tapes.

    1. Gary Chartier

      Firefox 3.5.1 MacIntosh

      The tapes would certainly help, but, either way, egging schmegging: unless “egging them on” means “creating a reasonable apprehension of physical harm” (i.e., “assaulting”), I don’t see the issue. You can “egg me on” as much as you like without making it OK for me to handcuff and confine you.

  10. iceberg

    Safari MacIntosh

    Those who know me call me Craw-ley; Those who don’t bow before my authorita’ call me Crau-ley.

  11. Mike

    MSIE 8.0 Windows XP

    In the officer’s report, and one of the other officers said this as well, he said that Gates was acting oddly, which is an understatement if the details in his report are accurate.

    I ultimately don’t think that officer should have arrested Gates, but put yourself in his shoes. And for the moment I’ll assume that his report is basically accurate. The latter part of is, certainly, is attested to by the other officers who were there.

    Gates is definitely the legal occupant of the house. But he seems oddly argumentive. He gets especially abusive when you ask if anyone else is there. Is this a domestic violence situation? Are there any restraining orders against him?

    Again, I think in the end he should not have arrested Gates, but I can certainly see why he didn’t just leave after Gates Ided himself.

  12. Mike

    MSIE 8.0 Windows XP

    Gate’s reaction was either warranted or it wasn’t. If it wasn’t, then it is mysterious. Again, all the police officer knows is that he had a report of two men breaking into a house.

    Gates himself said he appreciated the woman who called the police, noted his house had been broken into before, that the reason the door was jammed was that it looked like it had been jimmied and even said he had some expensive things in there. If he’s grateful to the woman who called, why did he react to vehemently to the officer who responded?

    By Gates own account, he was immediately defensive. The officer asked him to step outside and he refused. He says the officer asked him an offensive question and he told him it was none of his business. (The officer says the question was Is anyone else here? A reasonable question given that he’d been told two men were brekaing in). Gates says he went to get his ID, and the officer followed him in without permission, and that’s when Gates says asked him if he was treating him this way because he was black.

    That’s Gates own account and it seems to me unwarranted and mysterious. My reation would be “Geez, officer. I’m glad you are here. It looks like my door may have been tampered with. I just got in and I haven’t had time to see if they got in or stole anything.”

  13. dennis

    Firefox 3.0.12 Windows XP

    Anyone would have been arrested by the policeman, and no, that isn’t okay. All laws which can be used as a pretext to arrest someone for hurting a policeman’s feelings should be reversed immediately.

  14. Otto Kerner

    Firefox 3.0.12 Windows XP

    It occurred to me that the thing that bugs me about the “anti-Cambridge-police-department” side in this whole argument is that, in all of the mainstream comment on this issue, I have seen zero interest in talking about the underlying systemic issues of why the police can treat people like this in our current political environment. That issue, which is the only real issue here, does not appear to exist for them. For crying out loud, we’ve got Mr. Obama, the man who gives orders to the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, and the United States military, complaining about the misdemeanor arrest of a celebrity! (That doesn’t change the value of a specific opinion of his, but there’s an issue of perspective here). On the other hand, the “pro-Cambridge-PD” side obviously doesn’t care about the underlying issue, since they are in favour of the “tumultuois behaviour” arrest. So, it’s really basically the same problem on both sides: they’re all statists.

    1. Gary Chartier

      Firefox 3.5.1 MacIntosh

      Yes, Otto–the discussion of race here obscures the underlying, hideous reality of arrogant state power.

  15. Euripides

    MSIE 8.0 Windows XP

    It is not recommended to go outside as the police can then use any people outside as an excuse to arrest you on a nebulous public order charge. (i.e. inciting a riot)

  16. Jake

    MSIE 6.0 Windows XP

    Roderick,

    Very well written. I will be linking this from my blog to which I had similar comments.

    http://howlittleheknows.blogspot.com/2009/07/harvard-cop-was-out-of-line.html

    -Jake

  17. MBH

    MSIE 6.0 Windows 2000

    I hope this can receive some attention. As a resident of Mobile, I’m amazed that no one says a word about it. This man was in the bathroom of a Dollar General for half an hour before pepper spray was used in his stall. He’s deaf, so he couldn’t distinguish the police demands from “the devil [trying] to come in.” Interesting…

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  19. Ben K

    Opera 9.52 Windows XP

    Probably no relation to Aleister, who had this to say about race:

    “I think that perhaps I have already written enough—at least enough to start you thinking on the right lines. And mark well this! The submergence of the individual in his class means the end of all true human relations between men. Socialism means war. When the class moves as a class, there can be no exceptions.”

    (http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/mwt/mwt_73.html)