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	<title>Comments on: The Atrocity of Hope, Part 6: Put Not Your Trust In Princes</title>
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	<description>&#34;Austro&#34; as in Rothbard and Wittgenstein, &#34;Athenian&#34; as in Aristotle and smashing-the-plutocracy.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/06/12/the-atrocity-of-hope-part-6-put-not-your-trust-in-princes/comment-page-1/#comment-351908</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the mystery resumes...</description>
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		<title>By: Roderick</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/06/12/the-atrocity-of-hope-part-6-put-not-your-trust-in-princes/comment-page-1/#comment-351878</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But your reply also has an earlier timestamp than the comment it&#039;s replying to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But your reply also has an earlier timestamp than the comment it&#8217;s replying to.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/06/12/the-atrocity-of-hope-part-6-put-not-your-trust-in-princes/comment-page-1/#comment-351876</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No mystery here.  Just an accident on my part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No mystery here.  Just an accident on my part.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/06/12/the-atrocity-of-hope-part-6-put-not-your-trust-in-princes/comment-page-1/#comment-351857</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why your reply appears before my post that you were replying to is one more of those unutterable mysteries ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why your reply appears before my post that you were replying to is one more of those unutterable mysteries &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/06/12/the-atrocity-of-hope-part-6-put-not-your-trust-in-princes/comment-page-1/#comment-351854</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Professor Long!  That discussion addressed most of the points I was interested in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Professor Long!  That discussion addressed most of the points I was interested in.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon73</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/06/12/the-atrocity-of-hope-part-6-put-not-your-trust-in-princes/comment-page-1/#comment-351845</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it.... a VEERUS (known as &quot;virus&quot; to us white folks)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it&#8230;. a VEERUS (known as &#8220;virus&#8221; to us white folks)?</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/06/12/the-atrocity-of-hope-part-6-put-not-your-trust-in-princes/comment-page-1/#comment-351844</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a discussion about this here &lt;a href=&quot;http://aaeblog.net/2009/05/14/the-doctor-is-in-or-near-anyway&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;last month&lt;/a&gt;.  Unfortunately the nastiness that has been deleting or truncating posts seems to have infected that talkback (I&#039;m beginning to fear this may go all the way back) but you can read the surviving posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a discussion about this here <a href="http://aaeblog.net/2009/05/14/the-doctor-is-in-or-near-anyway" rel="nofollow">last month</a>.  Unfortunately the nastiness that has been deleting or truncating posts seems to have infected that talkback (I&#8217;m beginning to fear this may go all the way back) but you can read the surviving posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/06/12/the-atrocity-of-hope-part-6-put-not-your-trust-in-princes/comment-page-1/#comment-351843</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there really anything unlibertarian about DADT?  Or, for that matter, about actively making sure no gays end up in the military?

It seems to me that the situation is something like this:  The government steals money and other resources, so that it may set up a variety of programs and nonsense, and is then restrictive about the use of said nonsense.  Much like the Mafia in restricting their members to Italians.  But what would we think of two people arguing about the mob&#039;s racist policies?  &quot;The mob really ought to be more open in their hiring.  It&#039;s discrimination!&quot;  &quot;No no no.  Standards must be kept.  Mobsters have difficult jobs.  They can&#039;t just let anybody in, or they could never fully trust each other!&quot;  The argument seems to miss the real point: The mob is a criminal enterprise to be opposed root and branch.  Arguing about the merits of their (non rights violating) practices treats the existence of the mob as a given. But it is the existence of the mob that is the real issue.

My feelings about DADT are that arguments about whether the policy is just or unjust tend to assume the legitimacy (or unavoidability) of the government military. (And I certainly realize you are not doing this.)  Keeping or abandoning DADT are both subsets of an unacceptable situation.

Furthermore, would it really be that bad if the military discriminated much more severely?  Only white males.  Or, even better, only second generation Mongolian-American lesbians.  It seems to me that the more restrictive the government is in its hiring, the less employees it will tend to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there really anything unlibertarian about DADT?  Or, for that matter, about actively making sure no gays end up in the military?</p>
<p>It seems to me that the situation is something like this:  The government steals money and other resources, so that it may set up a variety of programs and nonsense, and is then restrictive about the use of said nonsense.  Much like the Mafia in restricting their members to Italians.  But what would we think of two people arguing about the mob&#8217;s racist policies?  &#8220;The mob really ought to be more open in their hiring.  It&#8217;s discrimination!&#8221;  &#8220;No no no.  Standards must be kept.  Mobsters have difficult jobs.  They can&#8217;t just let anybody in, or they could never fully trust each other!&#8221;  The argument seems to miss the real point: The mob is a criminal enterprise to be opposed root and branch.  Arguing about the merits of their (non rights violating) practices treats the existence of the mob as a given. But it is the existence of the mob that is the real issue.</p>
<p>My feelings about DADT are that arguments about whether the policy is just or unjust tend to assume the legitimacy (or unavoidability) of the government military. (And I certainly realize you are not doing this.)  Keeping or abandoning DADT are both subsets of an unacceptable situation.</p>
<p>Furthermore, would it really be that bad if the military discriminated much more severely?  Only white males.  Or, even better, only second generation Mongolian-American lesbians.  It seems to me that the more restrictive the government is in its hiring, the less employees it will tend to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Currence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Currence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thought:  does DADT + that the POTUS is the commander in chief of the armed forces =&gt; no gay POTUS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought:  does DADT + that the POTUS is the commander in chief of the armed forces =&gt; no gay POTUS?</p>
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		<title>By: b-psycho</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/06/12/the-atrocity-of-hope-part-6-put-not-your-trust-in-princes/comment-page-1/#comment-351841</link>
		<dc:creator>b-psycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know what would be funny?  If after having revealed that stance on DADT, whoever was in charge on the ground in Afghanistan outed himself in protest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know what would be funny?  If after having revealed that stance on DADT, whoever was in charge on the ground in Afghanistan outed himself in protest.</p>
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