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	<description>&#34;Austro&#34; as in Rothbard and Wittgenstein, &#34;Athenian&#34; as in Aristotle and smashing-the-plutocracy.</description>
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		<title>By: Anon73</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/05/13/freedom-and-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-350939</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At any rate I&#039;m certain an alliance with people who think having a &quot;Competition Commissioner&quot; will guarantee competition will be fruitless at best, harmful at worst.  It&#039;s always frustrating when potential allies share the same end but have rotten means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At any rate I&#8217;m certain an alliance with people who think having a &#8220;Competition Commissioner&#8221; will guarantee competition will be fruitless at best, harmful at worst.  It&#8217;s always frustrating when potential allies share the same end but have rotten means.</p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/05/13/freedom-and-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-350844</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 08:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the paper on Godwin was thoroughly enjoyable.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the paper on Godwin was thoroughly enjoyable.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/05/13/freedom-and-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-350843</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 08:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*how could this small minority wield power unless it had popular acquiescence?*

I don&#039;t think it could.  But if these two conditions are in place:

(1) Cognitive Imperialism--something like a belief system which holds {ruler/ruled} or {predator/prey} as primary and eternal.  

and 

(2) The tools to put/keep enough people under the spell of (1).

then we&#039;re back in statism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*how could this small minority wield power unless it had popular acquiescence?*</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it could.  But if these two conditions are in place:</p>
<p>(1) Cognitive Imperialism&#8211;something like a belief system which holds {ruler/ruled} or {predator/prey} as primary and eternal.  </p>
<p>and </p>
<p>(2) The tools to put/keep enough people under the spell of (1).</p>
<p>then we&#8217;re back in statism.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/05/13/freedom-and-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-350833</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 04:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since -- as &lt;a href=&quot;http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/laboetie.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;La Bo&#233;tie&lt;/a&gt; (unless it was &lt;a href=&quot;http://aaeblog.net/2008/08/14/who-wrote-the-discourse-on-voluntary-servitude&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Montaigne&lt;/a&gt;), &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.constitution.org/dh/pringovt.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hume&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://praxeology.net/RTL-nomatternomaster-final.doc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Godwin&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mises.org/rothbard/boetie.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rothbard&lt;/a&gt; have pointed out -- governments are generally outnumbered by those they govern, how could this small minority wield power unless it had popular acquiescence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since &#8212; as <a href="http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/laboetie.html" rel="nofollow">La Bo&eacute;tie</a> (unless it was <a href="http://aaeblog.net/2008/08/14/who-wrote-the-discourse-on-voluntary-servitude" rel="nofollow">Montaigne</a>), <a href="http://www.constitution.org/dh/pringovt.htm" rel="nofollow">Hume</a>, <a href="http://praxeology.net/RTL-nomatternomaster-final.doc" rel="nofollow">Godwin</a>, and <a href="http://www.mises.org/rothbard/boetie.asp" rel="nofollow">Rothbard</a> have pointed out &#8212; governments are generally outnumbered by those they govern, how could this small minority wield power unless it had popular acquiescence?</p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/05/13/freedom-and-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-350830</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acquire?  Not nearly as easily.

Maintain?  I think easily.  With their leverage, they just re-create a monopoly state--run by them.  Of course, naming it something tolerable and doing it for the sake of &quot;freedom.&quot;

My question is how you get there, practically speaking.  Because once to that point--in an anarcho-capitalist system--some group could potentially wield more power than all others.  And unless they valued the universal interests above all other interests, then they would take that power.  This makes me believe that the only way to bring about such a system is through raised awareness and consensus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acquire?  Not nearly as easily.</p>
<p>Maintain?  I think easily.  With their leverage, they just re-create a monopoly state&#8211;run by them.  Of course, naming it something tolerable and doing it for the sake of &#8220;freedom.&#8221;</p>
<p>My question is how you get there, practically speaking.  Because once to that point&#8211;in an anarcho-capitalist system&#8211;some group could potentially wield more power than all others.  And unless they valued the universal interests above all other interests, then they would take that power.  This makes me believe that the only way to bring about such a system is through raised awareness and consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/05/13/freedom-and-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-350828</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The legal system acts as arms to protect those with the most economic power&lt;/i&gt;

Quite true.  But the question is: how easily could they acquire and/or maintain that economic power without the help of a monopoly state?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The legal system acts as arms to protect those with the most economic power</i></p>
<p>Quite true.  But the question is: how easily could they acquire and/or maintain that economic power without the help of a monopoly state?</p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/05/13/freedom-and-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-350826</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deja vu.

I think anarcho-capitalism describes the world as it is.  The legal system acts as arms to protect those with the most economic power.  Government is just a leverage mechanism; control of it = just another form of currency.  So, my fear is that market anarchy devolves within a generation or so.  One company would operate as a government and monopolize the law.  

UNLESS, when you speak of libertarians ensuring equality of outcome--when it comes to authority--you mean rule of universal interests.  But to get there, the only object is raised awareness.  And the only means with which I&#039;m comfortable are non-violent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deja vu.</p>
<p>I think anarcho-capitalism describes the world as it is.  The legal system acts as arms to protect those with the most economic power.  Government is just a leverage mechanism; control of it = just another form of currency.  So, my fear is that market anarchy devolves within a generation or so.  One company would operate as a government and monopolize the law.  </p>
<p>UNLESS, when you speak of libertarians ensuring equality of outcome&#8211;when it comes to authority&#8211;you mean rule of universal interests.  But to get there, the only object is raised awareness.  And the only means with which I&#8217;m comfortable are non-violent.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/05/13/freedom-and-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-350824</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;what if those in positions of authority relinquished their power–from the inside out?&lt;/i&gt;

I would be delighted if they were to do so.  But you can understand that I&#039;m not going to hold my breath waiting for them to do so.

&lt;i&gt;How could equality of authority be ensured in the Hobbesian jungle?!&lt;/i&gt;

Well, you know the &lt;a href=&quot;http://praxeology.net/anarcres.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;answer to that&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>what if those in positions of authority relinquished their power–from the inside out?</i></p>
<p>I would be delighted if they were to do so.  But you can understand that I&#8217;m not going to hold my breath waiting for them to do so.</p>
<p><i>How could equality of authority be ensured in the Hobbesian jungle?!</i></p>
<p>Well, you know the <a href="http://praxeology.net/anarcres.htm" rel="nofollow">answer to that</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: MBH</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2009/05/13/freedom-and-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-350823</link>
		<dc:creator>MBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goddamn.  I just read Equality: The Unknown Ideal.  I feel humbled.  I listed Jonathan Turley as a left-libertarian.  Now, I see that--by the standard of Lockean egalitarianism--he probably falls short: his libertarianism (as far as I can tell) fails to level administrator with administrated.  

As an innocent statist--always holding out hope that I cannot refute libertarianism--I do wonder whether some form of consensus could bridge the gap.  After all, if compliance with the legal system is a form of submission, could not the legal system itself submit to Lockean egalitarianism?  In other words, what if those in positions of authority relinquished their power--from the inside out?  

As I ask these questions, the socioeconomic egalitarian part of my psyche starts to interrupt: &quot;No!  Then we&#039;re in the Hobbesian jungle!  How could equality of authority be ensured in the Hobbesian jungle?!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goddamn.  I just read Equality: The Unknown Ideal.  I feel humbled.  I listed Jonathan Turley as a left-libertarian.  Now, I see that&#8211;by the standard of Lockean egalitarianism&#8211;he probably falls short: his libertarianism (as far as I can tell) fails to level administrator with administrated.  </p>
<p>As an innocent statist&#8211;always holding out hope that I cannot refute libertarianism&#8211;I do wonder whether some form of consensus could bridge the gap.  After all, if compliance with the legal system is a form of submission, could not the legal system itself submit to Lockean egalitarianism?  In other words, what if those in positions of authority relinquished their power&#8211;from the inside out?  </p>
<p>As I ask these questions, the socioeconomic egalitarian part of my psyche starts to interrupt: &#8220;No!  Then we&#8217;re in the Hobbesian jungle!  How could equality of authority be ensured in the Hobbesian jungle?!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Daily News About Freedom : A few links about Freedom - Wednesday, 13 May 2009 11:37</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily News About Freedom : A few links about Freedom - Wednesday, 13 May 2009 11:37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Freedom and Friends &#124; Austro-Athenian Empire [...]</description>
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