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	<title>Comments on: Celebrity Death Match: Bastiat vs. Proudhon</title>
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	<description>&#34;Austro&#34; as in Rothbard and Wittgenstein, &#34;Athenian&#34; as in Aristotle and smashing-the-plutocracy.</description>
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		<title>By: Sheldon Richman</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2008/03/12/celebrity-death-match-bastiat-vs-proudhon/comment-page-1/#comment-115436</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheldon Richman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Roderick! This is an immensely important contribution. Your commentary on double inequality (subjectivism) is a timely reminder of a crucial but easily-overlooked idea. Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Roderick! This is an immensely important contribution. Your commentary on double inequality (subjectivism) is a timely reminder of a crucial but easily-overlooked idea. Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Erwin</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2008/03/12/celebrity-death-match-bastiat-vs-proudhon/comment-page-1/#comment-115177</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not always clear what each side is arguing.

If Proudhon argues that one ought not charge interest when lending, then Bastiat&#039;s rebuttal is appropriate;

if Proudhon argues that one ought not have any special privilege which prevents others lending with less interest, and thereby allows one to charge interest when lending (without being undercut), then Bastiat&#039;s rebuttal is irrelevant.

Richard Garner&#039;s alternative argument is more relevant. Someone who is able to invest  in the bank is less likely to need the loan than someone who is unable to invest in the bank. The approach might work for insurance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not always clear what each side is arguing.</p>
<p>If Proudhon argues that one ought not charge interest when lending, then Bastiat&#8217;s rebuttal is appropriate;</p>
<p>if Proudhon argues that one ought not have any special privilege which prevents others lending with less interest, and thereby allows one to charge interest when lending (without being undercut), then Bastiat&#8217;s rebuttal is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Richard Garner&#8217;s alternative argument is more relevant. Someone who is able to invest  in the bank is less likely to need the loan than someone who is unable to invest in the bank. The approach might work for insurance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Garner</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2008/03/12/celebrity-death-match-bastiat-vs-proudhon/comment-page-1/#comment-115140</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent anthology, and an excellent comentary. I thought Bastiat&#039;s comeboack about the hat seller only producing a hat to sell it was excellent. However, from an Austrian point of view, there is another good response to Proudhon&#039;s objection. The lender, deprived of his capital by the loan, may only have intended to lend it to somebody else, rather than use it himself, but we still need a price to indicate what the demand for such a loan is, and to make sure that the person he does lend it to is the person who values it most highly. If the price of the loan were fixed at, say, zero, we couldn&#039;t tell that one person values getting the loan at, say £5, and the other values getting the loan at £6. On this basis, interest, the price of a loan, serves the same function as any prices: Co-ordination of supply to demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent anthology, and an excellent comentary. I thought Bastiat&#8217;s comeboack about the hat seller only producing a hat to sell it was excellent. However, from an Austrian point of view, there is another good response to Proudhon&#8217;s objection. The lender, deprived of his capital by the loan, may only have intended to lend it to somebody else, rather than use it himself, but we still need a price to indicate what the demand for such a loan is, and to make sure that the person he does lend it to is the person who values it most highly. If the price of the loan were fixed at, say, zero, we couldn&#8217;t tell that one person values getting the loan at, say £5, and the other values getting the loan at £6. On this basis, interest, the price of a loan, serves the same function as any prices: Co-ordination of supply to demand.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2008/03/12/celebrity-death-match-bastiat-vs-proudhon/comment-page-1/#comment-115053</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Brutum Fulmen</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2008/03/12/celebrity-death-match-bastiat-vs-proudhon/comment-page-1/#comment-115028</link>
		<dc:creator>Brutum Fulmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks!!!</p>
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		<title>By: iceberg</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2008/03/12/celebrity-death-match-bastiat-vs-proudhon/comment-page-1/#comment-115004</link>
		<dc:creator>iceberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much kudos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much kudos!</p>
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