6 responses to “More Spencer Nonsense, Part Deux”

  1. Tim

    Firefox 2.0.0.3 Windows XP

    i wonder if this victory an example of ‘survival of the fittest’ ??

  2. Dain

    MSIE 7.0 Windows XP

    Good job. Glad to see you got through to them.

    To bolster your claim, let me relay this passage from the book The Child Savers: The Invention of Delinquency, by Anthony Platt:

    “Spokesmen for conservative Darwinism opposed welfare legislation and organized state care of the “dependent classes” on the grounds that all men, whatever their ability and resources, should engage in the competition for survival. The care and support of criminals, idiots, cripples, and the like, merely prolongs suffering, impedes human progress, and contradicts the laws of nature. The Darwinists, however, did not approve class warfare or the total elimination of the “unfit” through eugenic techniques. [Richard] Hofstadter has pointed out that Spencer, accused of inhumanity in his application of biological principles to social life, ‘was compelled to insist over and over again that he was not opposed to voluntary private charity to the unfit, since it had an elevating effect on the character of the donors and hastened the development of altruism…” (p.20)

  3. Rad Geek

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    Perhaps the Newspaper of Record’s partial retraction was too hasty…

    Victorian-era social Darwinists like Herbert Spencer adopted evolutionary theory to justify colonialism and imperialism, opposition to labor unions and the withdrawal of aid to the sick and needy.

    There’s a little-known and rarely-observed rule of English grammar to the effect that “like” excludes and “such as” includes. So, for example, if I were to say “university towns such as Auburn have good used bookstores,” I am thereby stating that Auburn (inter alia) has a good used bookstore. But if I were to say “university towns like Auburn usually have Indian restaurants,” I am not saying anything about Auburn, but rather saying something about other university towns, which resemble Auburn in some salient respect.

    So if the Times had a good grammar-stickler on hand, they could insist that when they say that “Victorian-era Social Darwinists like Herbert Spencer” supported imperialism, opposed labor unions, etc., they have not said anything at all about what Herbert Spencer believed; they only said something about what other Victorian-era Social Darwinists, Herbert Spencer not included, believed. After all, they didn’t say that “Victorian-era Social Darwinists such as Herbert Spencer” did those nasty things.

    On the other hand, “can” does not always imply “ought.”

    Seriously, though, good work, and congratulations.

  4. Carlos

    MSIE 6.0 Windows XP

    Good job. Unfortunately, there exists a lot of prejudices out there against many writers and thinkers. Spencer seems to be one of them.

  5. Phillip Conti

    MSIE 7.0 Windows XP

    Well an note but not a published letter seems to me to be little consolation.

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