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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2007/05/07/more-spencer-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-10395</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 21:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

&lt;i&gt;As it happens I have come across a potential high profile posthumous recruit for the HSADL. Wiliam Durant.&lt;/i&gt;

Interestingly, Durant started out teaching at the anarchist Modern School in New York; he met his wife-to-be Ariel when she was a rollerskarting teenager there.  (Anecdote: when they were married she was of legal age to be married but below the age of consent for sex, so the judge told them they were now married but instructed them not to consummate the marriage for two years.  I suspect they may not have obeyed.)

Dain,

&lt;i&gt;I’ve tried emailing you twice at your Auburn account and once through Center for Stateless Society.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t see any email from you on my Auburn account, and I don&#039;t have an email account through Center for a Stateless Society.  Maybe try my Mises account?  rlong at mises dot org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p><i>As it happens I have come across a potential high profile posthumous recruit for the HSADL. Wiliam Durant.</i></p>
<p>Interestingly, Durant started out teaching at the anarchist Modern School in New York; he met his wife-to-be Ariel when she was a rollerskarting teenager there.  (Anecdote: when they were married she was of legal age to be married but below the age of consent for sex, so the judge told them they were now married but instructed them not to consummate the marriage for two years.  I suspect they may not have obeyed.)</p>
<p>Dain,</p>
<p><i>I’ve tried emailing you twice at your Auburn account and once through Center for Stateless Society.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any email from you on my Auburn account, and I don&#8217;t have an email account through Center for a Stateless Society.  Maybe try my Mises account?  rlong at mises dot org</p>
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		<title>By: Dain</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2007/05/07/more-spencer-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-9146</link>
		<dc:creator>Dain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 19:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Administrator,

I&#039;ve tried emailing you twice at your Auburn account and once through Center for Stateless Society. I have a paper nearly finished for IR. 

Do you have a different contact?

Hope all is well,

Dain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Administrator,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried emailing you twice at your Auburn account and once through Center for Stateless Society. I have a paper nearly finished for IR. </p>
<p>Do you have a different contact?</p>
<p>Hope all is well,</p>
<p>Dain.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2007/05/07/more-spencer-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-8050</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 05:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roderick, 

This sounds like another job for the &quot;Herbert Spencer Anti-Defamation League&quot;. &lt;i&gt;To the Herb-mobile!!!&lt;/i&gt;

The main action of  the HSADL seems to be defending HS from absurd, poorly researched complaints, almost all from leftists and liberals, that he advocated state enforced eugenics.  The critics are basically echoing a meme rather than making any original comments based on primary sources. It&#039;s cut and paste criticism.

Following your recent comments on Sheldon Richmond&#039;s blog about Herbert Spencer&#039;s unorthodox views on the factory system, obviously the HSADL needs to branch out into labour relations as well.

As it happens I have come across a potential high profile posthumous recruit for the HSADL. Wiliam Durant.

In Durant&#039;s chapter on Herbert Spence in his &lt;i&gt;&quot;The Story of Philosophy&quot;&lt;/i&gt; he has a chapter on Herb with a surprisiingly sympathetic conclusion. Durant noted that interest in Spencer had more or less dried up by the time he went to press (1926). Yet Durant predicts that interest in HS deserved to and would ultimately be revived. Here is Durant&#039;s closing sentence:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Some day, when the sting of opposition is forgotten, we shall do him better justice.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

11:52 PM
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roderick, </p>
<p>This sounds like another job for the &#8220;Herbert Spencer Anti-Defamation League&#8221;. <i>To the Herb-mobile!!!</i></p>
<p>The main action of  the HSADL seems to be defending HS from absurd, poorly researched complaints, almost all from leftists and liberals, that he advocated state enforced eugenics.  The critics are basically echoing a meme rather than making any original comments based on primary sources. It&#8217;s cut and paste criticism.</p>
<p>Following your recent comments on Sheldon Richmond&#8217;s blog about Herbert Spencer&#8217;s unorthodox views on the factory system, obviously the HSADL needs to branch out into labour relations as well.</p>
<p>As it happens I have come across a potential high profile posthumous recruit for the HSADL. Wiliam Durant.</p>
<p>In Durant&#8217;s chapter on Herbert Spence in his <i>&#8220;The Story of Philosophy&#8221;</i> he has a chapter on Herb with a surprisiingly sympathetic conclusion. Durant noted that interest in Spencer had more or less dried up by the time he went to press (1926). Yet Durant predicts that interest in HS deserved to and would ultimately be revived. Here is Durant&#8217;s closing sentence:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Some day, when the sting of opposition is forgotten, we shall do him better justice.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>11:52 PM<br />
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		<title>By: Eric Roark</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2007/05/07/more-spencer-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-7933</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Roark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 16:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its clear to me that whomever wrote the times article knew nothing, or next to nothing, about Spencer.  I think there are lively debates that we can have abour Spencer&#039;s treatment of the &quot;poor laws.&quot;  But there is no debate about Spencer&#039;s anti-colonial and anti-war stance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its clear to me that whomever wrote the times article knew nothing, or next to nothing, about Spencer.  I think there are lively debates that we can have abour Spencer&#8217;s treatment of the &#8220;poor laws.&#8221;  But there is no debate about Spencer&#8217;s anti-colonial and anti-war stance.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brown</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2007/05/07/more-spencer-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-7888</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 01:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I can still see the whole letter&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How about now?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not any more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>I can still see the whole letter</p></blockquote>
<p>How about now?</p></blockquote>
<p>Not any more!</p>
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		<title>By: Dain</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2007/05/07/more-spencer-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-7878</link>
		<dc:creator>Dain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know enough about Spencer to chime in on his thoughts about purposely neglecting invalids, the poor, etc. (I&#039;ll have to read Long on this), but he most definitely did not support imperialism.

In fact, there&#039;s been alot of literature lately on the fact that it was people like Edmund Burke - and not modern liberal (left and right) heroes like John Stuart Mill - that were against imperialism most vigorously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about Spencer to chime in on his thoughts about purposely neglecting invalids, the poor, etc. (I&#8217;ll have to read Long on this), but he most definitely did not support imperialism.</p>
<p>In fact, there&#8217;s been alot of literature lately on the fact that it was people like Edmund Burke &#8211; and not modern liberal (left and right) heroes like John Stuart Mill &#8211; that were against imperialism most vigorously.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Garner</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2007/05/07/more-spencer-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-7872</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 22:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Victorian-era social Darwinists like Herbert Spencer adopted evolutionary theory to justify colonialism and imperialism, opposition to labor unions and the withdrawal of aid to the sick and needy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

WTF???? Have they never even read Spencer? Justify colonialism and imperialism??? Is it possible to even misread Spencer and accidentally get this view?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Victorian-era social Darwinists like Herbert Spencer adopted evolutionary theory to justify colonialism and imperialism, opposition to labor unions and the withdrawal of aid to the sick and needy.</p></blockquote>
<p>WTF???? Have they never even read Spencer? Justify colonialism and imperialism??? Is it possible to even misread Spencer and accidentally get this view?</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2007/05/07/more-spencer-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-7870</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 21:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I can still see the whole letter&lt;/i&gt;

How about now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I can still see the whole letter</i></p>
<p>How about now?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brown</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2007/05/07/more-spencer-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-7868</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 21:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, which was supposed to be followed by a comment that I
can still see the whole letter.  Why no preview?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, which was supposed to be followed by a comment that I<br />
can still see the whole letter.  Why no preview?!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brown</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2007/05/07/more-spencer-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-7867</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 21:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, my last message fell victim to its own escaping bug.  Try this:

&gt; [I just saw that the NYT won’t publish letters previously published, so check
&gt; back here later.] &lt;!--To the Editor:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, my last message fell victim to its own escaping bug.  Try this:</p>
<p>&gt; [I just saw that the NYT won’t publish letters previously published, so check<br />
&gt; back here later.] &lt;!&#8211;To the Editor:</p>
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