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By: BeGreener

BeGreener — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:51:49 +0000

social justice advocates are concerned with distribution after production and thus want to use the state to regulate business.

distributive justice advocates are concerned with ethical questions regarding access to the natural commons before production and are thus concerned with privilege as privilege granted by the state allows one group (excluders) to have a legal claim on the wages of those they exclude.

governance on the other hand is set-up to insure no one’s absolute right of self-ownership is violated…

By: Isak Davis

Isak Davis — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 05:05:38 +0000

I think rockwell made a similar argument in his (rather poorly written) anti-environmentalist manifesto. Anyway, i’m very skeptical that any but a few greens are really against human prosperity when it’s not in conflict with the ecosystem. Could you give some examples? I think what they complain about primarily is capitalism, and not the free market per se. Of course many of them are in the habbit of saying that the state needs to restrain the capitalistic tendencies of the market, but if they knew economics very well, they would probably be the most enthusiastic anarchists of any of us.

By: Tim

Tim — Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:19:06 +0000

An alliance with the greens, at least as they are presently constituted, would be as disastrous as an alliance with ultra-nationalists. Both greens and ultr-nationalists have a collectivist view of the common good being derived from a quasi-mystical nation or ‘the environment’. In each case the actual nation and the actual environment has very little in common with their respective political idols. Libertarians are justly tired of the dead end of their historical alliance with conservative nationalists, there is very little to show for it after decades of loyal sevitude. Substituting a new collectivist over-lord for an old one may have some appeal, but “better the devil you know”. In all likelihood the green movement as currently constituted, in many ways a post-socialist politcal refuge for collectivist left, may simply be a new incipient totalitarianism. At least socialism claimed to have the material benefit of the masses at it heart. In practice socialist anti-market policies undermined propserity and this internal contradiction led to it’s ultimate collapse. The greens are frankly hostile to mass prosperity and thus would have no qualms in riding their anti-market agenda until the horse is dead. Although they have presented some opposition to some of the imperialist and repressive policies of the conservative nationalists, they are addicted to global solutions and global governance so they are in fact uber-imperialists. Their civil liberties stance is apparently better than the conservative nationalists, but they completely fail to recognise the repressive nature of the controls they advocate to support recycling, conservation, etc. Recently we have seen greens in Australia for example urge governments to intoduce ‘neighbors reporting on neighbors’ to enforce water rationing. The same groups lobbied against anti-terrorist tiplines as fascist but apparently could not see the contradiction.

By: Anonymous2

Anonymous2 — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:58:11 +0000

*to be grammatically correct, that should read “which is currently the practice.”

By: Anonymous2

Anonymous2 — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:56:31 +0000

If that were true, nobody could own anything, even themselves

But people mix their labor with themselves, and thereby own themselves. Logging companies do nothing to present a valid claim to cut down trees on “their” land; they just cut down the trees. Therefore when a tree-hugger is “occupying” a tree, the police should restrain the loggers instead of the hugger, as is currently the practice.

By: Administrator

Administrator — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:46:09 +0000

Anonymous2: How’s this for green-libertarian synergy: Loggers can’t own land under libertarianism - land is just a natural resource, which cannot, by itself, be owned. If that were true, nobody could own anything, even themselves; see my argument here. Lev Lafayette: Employment is a monopsonistic market and minimum wage jobs are usually the sort that no-one wants to do unless they have to. The combination of the two factors means that minimum wage increases have marginal, if any, negative effects on employment - and in some instances it may even improve employment figures. I don't follow the argument. First, while employment is a more monopsonistic market than it would be under free competition, it's certainly not purely monopsonistic. Second, even if it were, unless the demand for labour is perfectly inelastic, I don't see how raising the cost of providing jobs isn't going to reduce the supply.

By: the view from below » Post Election Day Regurgitations

the view from below » Post Election Day Regurgitations — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:45:46 +0000

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By: Tim

Tim — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:03:25 +0000

On the subject of green and libertarian fusion, there was a book published some years ago by Austrian economist Edwin G Dolan called "TANSTAAFL : The Economic Strategy for Environmental Crisis". The book is now going on Amazon for about 1c a copy but that exchange-value doesn't reflect it's real use-value. The book was from the early seventies and addressed the more-fiction-than-fact "Limits To Growth" / Club of Rome scare of the time, rather than the more-fact-than-fiction Global Warming scare of today. Dolan was addressing issues, rather than focusing on political alliances. The title was inspired by Sci Fi author Robert Heinlein's book "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress", which centres on a future Moon colony's revolutionary war for independence motivated by a mix of libertarian and ecological motivations.

By: Lev Lafayette

Lev Lafayette — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 06:57:33 +0000

As much as I agree with what you’re saying in principle, I must take issue with the claim that minimum wages destroy jobs. Employment is a monopsonistic market and minimum wage jobs are usually the sort that no-one wants to do unless they have to. The combination of the two factors means that minimum wage increases have marginal, if any, negative effects on employment – and in some instances it may even improve employment figures. Those are the facts.