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		<title>By: Against politics &#171; Entitled to an Opinion</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/10/16/politics-against-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-32388</link>
		<dc:creator>Against politics &#171; Entitled to an Opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If Paul did win, here is what I expect would happen: he would veto every bill that he believed was unconstitutional, just as he votes against them now. That would be just about every bill Congress passes. Congress would in many cases overturn his vetoes,  but it would minimize the flow of legislation. As an anti-federalist, I would prefer if the national government did not exist at all. In general my assumption is that any action taken by that government is idiotic and harmful. I do not see the political arena as one through which the good is advanced, but rather as something like the human sacrifices performed by the Aztecs because they believed it was necessary to cause the sun to rise (Mike Huemer has a good explanation of why politics and religion are so irrational here, but I dispute his contention that morality is objective and can be known). I disagree with the main message in this from Roderick Long (that libertarians ought to be concerned with &#8220;oppression&#8221; other than coercion), but I agree with his characterization of libertarians as largely wanting politics not to exist.  A possibly useful sort of legislation is that which overturns previous legislation and ends those idiotic and harmful activities undertaken, but there is far less of that than the other kind. Congress is unlikely to do much of that under Paul, but he himself could undo a great many executive orders and possibly put some restraints on the permanent bureaucracy that could be thought of as a fourth branch of government if it were not technically under the executive. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If Paul did win, here is what I expect would happen: he would veto every bill that he believed was unconstitutional, just as he votes against them now. That would be just about every bill Congress passes. Congress would in many cases overturn his vetoes,  but it would minimize the flow of legislation. As an anti-federalist, I would prefer if the national government did not exist at all. In general my assumption is that any action taken by that government is idiotic and harmful. I do not see the political arena as one through which the good is advanced, but rather as something like the human sacrifices performed by the Aztecs because they believed it was necessary to cause the sun to rise (Mike Huemer has a good explanation of why politics and religion are so irrational here, but I dispute his contention that morality is objective and can be known). I disagree with the main message in this from Roderick Long (that libertarians ought to be concerned with &#8220;oppression&#8221; other than coercion), but I agree with his characterization of libertarians as largely wanting politics not to exist.  A possibly useful sort of legislation is that which overturns previous legislation and ends those idiotic and harmful activities undertaken, but there is far less of that than the other kind. Congress is unlikely to do much of that under Paul, but he himself could undo a great many executive orders and possibly put some restraints on the permanent bureaucracy that could be thought of as a fourth branch of government if it were not technically under the executive. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Newell</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/10/16/politics-against-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-3875</link>
		<dc:creator>John Newell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please distribute to all those who would be interested
        
          Oppose Oppression with Ten Billion Pricks


Organised opposition to an oppressor requires leaders, who will
 then be eliminated.  But the oppressor can still be opposed by the 
the oppressed if every one were to attack the oppressor with a
series of little pin pricks. Some possible examples are as follows:

1) Never show intelligence or initiative when working for the
    oppressor 
2) Only understand the simplest instructions 
3) Commit many acts of minor or symbolic destruction
4) Be inefficient
5) Leak secrets slowly
6) act on behalf of the individual, not the oppressor
7) Act a bit strangely
8) Arrange objects in a patterns that are understood to be
    agaist the oppressor
9) When walking in squares or street intersections,
    walk in a counterclockwise direction to show opposition
10) Avoid streets with names associated with the oppressor
11) Do not join any judicial or security organisation unless to
      oppose the oppressor 
12) When appropriate, members of security forces shall make  
      their superiors less effective at oppression unless these 
      superiors have made their own superiors less effective
13) vote and attend meetings as late as possible
14) Work to rule 
15) In the street, gather in bunches, walk in bunches, walk in 
      lock step 
16) Everyone is to get into minor trouble
17) Disable surveillance equipment
18) Laugh at the oppressor
19) Invent, invent, think, adapt, reject, add  
20) Do what other people do so that all do the same thing 
     to show opposition to the oppressor
21 Have Fun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please distribute to all those who would be interested</p>
<p>          Oppose Oppression with Ten Billion Pricks</p>
<p>Organised opposition to an oppressor requires leaders, who will<br />
 then be eliminated.  But the oppressor can still be opposed by the<br />
the oppressed if every one were to attack the oppressor with a<br />
series of little pin pricks. Some possible examples are as follows:</p>
<p>1) Never show intelligence or initiative when working for the<br />
    oppressor<br />
2) Only understand the simplest instructions<br />
3) Commit many acts of minor or symbolic destruction<br />
4) Be inefficient<br />
5) Leak secrets slowly<br />
6) act on behalf of the individual, not the oppressor<br />
7) Act a bit strangely<br />
 <img src='http://aaeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Arrange objects in a patterns that are understood to be<br />
    agaist the oppressor<br />
9) When walking in squares or street intersections,<br />
    walk in a counterclockwise direction to show opposition<br />
10) Avoid streets with names associated with the oppressor<br />
11) Do not join any judicial or security organisation unless to<br />
      oppose the oppressor<br />
12) When appropriate, members of security forces shall make<br />
      their superiors less effective at oppression unless these<br />
      superiors have made their own superiors less effective<br />
13) vote and attend meetings as late as possible<br />
14) Work to rule<br />
15) In the street, gather in bunches, walk in bunches, walk in<br />
      lock step<br />
16) Everyone is to get into minor trouble<br />
17) Disable surveillance equipment<br />
18) Laugh at the oppressor<br />
19) Invent, invent, think, adapt, reject, add<br />
20) Do what other people do so that all do the same thing<br />
     to show opposition to the oppressor<br />
21 Have Fun</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous2</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/10/16/politics-against-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Blumfeld, but one doesn&#039;t always debate something in philosophy because it&#039;s likely to happen. :)

Upon reflection, I dicovered a good title for my rant would be &quot;Was &lt;i&gt;Monstressor&lt;/i&gt; a libertarian?&quot;.  I&#039;m surprised nobody used a phrase like &quot;Amontillado-libertarian&quot; in the responses; it&#039;s catchy, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Blumfeld, but one doesn&#8217;t always debate something in philosophy because it&#8217;s likely to happen. <img src='http://aaeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Upon reflection, I dicovered a good title for my rant would be &#8220;Was <i>Monstressor</i> a libertarian?&#8221;.  I&#8217;m surprised nobody used a phrase like &#8220;Amontillado-libertarian&#8221; in the responses; it&#8217;s catchy, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Julius Blumfeld</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/10/16/politics-against-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Julius Blumfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps landlocking someone would violate his rights because the perpetrator has imposed a death sentence on someone who has not himself violated rights.&quot;

Since this doesn&#039;t happen in the real world, I don&#039;t see that it poses much of a challenge to libertarian theory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps landlocking someone would violate his rights because the perpetrator has imposed a death sentence on someone who has not himself violated rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since this doesn&#8217;t happen in the real world, I don&#8217;t see that it poses much of a challenge to libertarian theory!</p>
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		<title>By: Julius Blumfeld</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/10/16/politics-against-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Julius Blumfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Course it could be that Rothbard was just wrong on this. Entertaining, but wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Course it could be that Rothbard was just wrong on this. Entertaining, but wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/10/16/politics-against-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But I don’t want slimy male supremacist types (or racist creeps, or blowhard know-it-all bosses, or whatever) to feel welcomed in a libertarian order. I think they are at best obnoxious deadweight and at worst an active menace to the prospects for liberty. And I think that they should feel threatened by consistent libertarianism: there is good reason to think that a free society would dramatically undermine their ability to go on oppressing and exploiting their victims.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is it too reductionist to say that they wouldn&#039;t feel comfortable &lt;i&gt;because they have to assume the costs of their beliefs&lt;/i&gt; - psychological, social, economic?  I am, of course, assuming and arguing that non-egalitarian approaches &quot;cost&quot; more: discrimination turns away otherwise good customers and business associates; bigotry requires one to maintain a level of psychological aggression that is draining; etc.

What I mean is that until we get rid of the coercive &lt;i&gt;mechanism&lt;/i&gt; by which these costs are offset onto society instead of completely internalized, doesn&#039;t it make more strategic sense to concentrate on the coercion?  If we really believe in &quot;thick libertarianism&quot;, does it really require any defense at all, or is it the natural &lt;i&gt;result&lt;/i&gt; of libetarianism, upon which we can safely count once we remove the State?

We must be careful to distinguish &lt;i&gt;likely outcomes of our politics&lt;/i&gt; from the &lt;i&gt;motivating core of our politics&lt;/i&gt;.  I don&#039;t see any harm in agitating for social justice and egalitarianism - I do it all the time - but I simply make clear that these are secondary implications of the primary goal: abolition of institutionalized coercion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But I don’t want slimy male supremacist types (or racist creeps, or blowhard know-it-all bosses, or whatever) to feel welcomed in a libertarian order. I think they are at best obnoxious deadweight and at worst an active menace to the prospects for liberty. And I think that they should feel threatened by consistent libertarianism: there is good reason to think that a free society would dramatically undermine their ability to go on oppressing and exploiting their victims.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is it too reductionist to say that they wouldn&#8217;t feel comfortable <i>because they have to assume the costs of their beliefs</i> &#8211; psychological, social, economic?  I am, of course, assuming and arguing that non-egalitarian approaches &#8220;cost&#8221; more: discrimination turns away otherwise good customers and business associates; bigotry requires one to maintain a level of psychological aggression that is draining; etc.</p>
<p>What I mean is that until we get rid of the coercive <i>mechanism</i> by which these costs are offset onto society instead of completely internalized, doesn&#8217;t it make more strategic sense to concentrate on the coercion?  If we really believe in &#8220;thick libertarianism&#8221;, does it really require any defense at all, or is it the natural <i>result</i> of libetarianism, upon which we can safely count once we remove the State?</p>
<p>We must be careful to distinguish <i>likely outcomes of our politics</i> from the <i>motivating core of our politics</i>.  I don&#8217;t see any harm in agitating for social justice and egalitarianism &#8211; I do it all the time &#8211; but I simply make clear that these are secondary implications of the primary goal: abolition of institutionalized coercion.</p>
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		<title>By: quasibill</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/10/16/politics-against-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>quasibill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and let me say this about the sofas - I think as time goes by, the culture and economy will evolve to the point where having &quot;nice&quot; sofas (by some subjective criteria - lord knows I don&#039;t agree with their taste in decorating their cars :), but that is a subjective call ) is a part of the culture.  The people won&#039;t want to be seen as having eyesore couches.  This part of the phenomenon will pass, if allowed to run its natural course.

However, trying to force the change will only cause resistance, especially if the economics of teh community can&#039;t currently support it.  And that resistance then manifests itself in all sorts of cultural &quot;defects&quot; that lead to more conflicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and let me say this about the sofas &#8211; I think as time goes by, the culture and economy will evolve to the point where having &#8220;nice&#8221; sofas (by some subjective criteria &#8211; lord knows I don&#8217;t agree with their taste in decorating their cars <img src='http://aaeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> , but that is a subjective call ) is a part of the culture.  The people won&#8217;t want to be seen as having eyesore couches.  This part of the phenomenon will pass, if allowed to run its natural course.</p>
<p>However, trying to force the change will only cause resistance, especially if the economics of teh community can&#8217;t currently support it.  And that resistance then manifests itself in all sorts of cultural &#8220;defects&#8221; that lead to more conflicts.</p>
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		<title>By: quasibill</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/10/16/politics-against-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>quasibill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s an interesting response, because in the sofa example it’s the immigrants putting the rotting sofas on their lawns that I would regard as the “oppressors”, and boycott (i.e. “discrimination”) would be a perfectly reasonable response to it.&quot;

That&#039;s exactly my point, although I&#039;m going to say that the immigrants will equally see themselves as the victims in the scenario.  So the key is to allow each culture to segregate itself - if, and to the extent that it so desires - and practice a form of racism.  As time passed, some more repulsive manifestations of the cultural preference may manifest (i.e., refusing to serve any immigrant in the local store), but then you have the same point I made about the Amish.

&quot;No society of free individuals is going to succeed if people are looked down upon for organizing boycotts of evil or disruptive individuals&quot;

Well, to me, evil only gets applied to those who violate the NAP.  And disruptive is almost always a matter of cultural mores, so it&#039;s going to be a highly subjective value judgment, there.  The sofas aren&#039;t disruptive in the immigrant culture, but they are to the pre-existing culture in the area.  Who&#039;s disrupting who?  The immigrants say the nosy, pushy locals are, while the locals say the immigrants are.

As I said, I feel the better option, rather than in your face boycotting, etc., is merely to move away and create your own cultural haven.  And surely, the large cosmopolitan cities will remain largely multi-cultural, although you probably will have Little Italys and Little Chinas, etc. even there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s an interesting response, because in the sofa example it’s the immigrants putting the rotting sofas on their lawns that I would regard as the “oppressors”, and boycott (i.e. “discrimination”) would be a perfectly reasonable response to it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly my point, although I&#8217;m going to say that the immigrants will equally see themselves as the victims in the scenario.  So the key is to allow each culture to segregate itself &#8211; if, and to the extent that it so desires &#8211; and practice a form of racism.  As time passed, some more repulsive manifestations of the cultural preference may manifest (i.e., refusing to serve any immigrant in the local store), but then you have the same point I made about the Amish.</p>
<p>&#8220;No society of free individuals is going to succeed if people are looked down upon for organizing boycotts of evil or disruptive individuals&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, to me, evil only gets applied to those who violate the NAP.  And disruptive is almost always a matter of cultural mores, so it&#8217;s going to be a highly subjective value judgment, there.  The sofas aren&#8217;t disruptive in the immigrant culture, but they are to the pre-existing culture in the area.  Who&#8217;s disrupting who?  The immigrants say the nosy, pushy locals are, while the locals say the immigrants are.</p>
<p>As I said, I feel the better option, rather than in your face boycotting, etc., is merely to move away and create your own cultural haven.  And surely, the large cosmopolitan cities will remain largely multi-cultural, although you probably will have Little Italys and Little Chinas, etc. even there.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous2</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/10/16/politics-against-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think as long as the NAP is respected, the strongest action that should be taken against oppressive cultural issues (as opposed to cultural outliers in a given community) is argument (i.e., no boycott, etc.), and even that must be done very carefully and respectfully.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s an interesting response, because in the sofa example it&#039;s the immigrants putting the rotting sofas on their lawns that I would regard as the &quot;oppressors&quot;, and boycott (i.e. &quot;discrimination&quot;) would be a perfectly reasonable response to it. No society of free individuals is going to succeed if people are looked down upon for organizing boycotts of evil or disruptive individuals, especially the ones who do things that are really bad yet don&#039;t violate rights (as happens in this case).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think as long as the NAP is respected, the strongest action that should be taken against oppressive cultural issues (as opposed to cultural outliers in a given community) is argument (i.e., no boycott, etc.), and even that must be done very carefully and respectfully.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting response, because in the sofa example it&#8217;s the immigrants putting the rotting sofas on their lawns that I would regard as the &#8220;oppressors&#8221;, and boycott (i.e. &#8220;discrimination&#8221;) would be a perfectly reasonable response to it. No society of free individuals is going to succeed if people are looked down upon for organizing boycotts of evil or disruptive individuals, especially the ones who do things that are really bad yet don&#8217;t violate rights (as happens in this case).</p>
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		<title>By: quasibill</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/10/16/politics-against-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>quasibill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roderick,

I&#039;m just too wary of culture, and the multitude of ways that cultures can non-aggressively conflict to the point of creating a call for aggressive responses.  &quot;Racism&quot; is quite often more appropriately called &quot;culturalism&quot;, and the difference between the two is actually quite important.  Further, I fear that some fundamental cultural pillars, while leading to some oppressive cultural applications, are also the pillars to liberty in those cultures - so weakening the consistent application of the pillar is a blow against broader liberty.

As an example of my first concern, I&#039;ll point to a controversy local to me.  A certain immigrant population has over the last 20 years become more and more numerous in my area.  One overbroad generalization I can make about their culture is that they tend to like to put nice, big, cushy sofas on their front lawns.  It&#039;s a social phenomenon, and, I believe, in their culture, a very pro-liberty phenomenon.  It creates a social space where everyone in the community has some idea about everyone else.  This community awareness is great from issues such as charity, to &#039;policing&#039;, all the way to protecting children from abuse.  Someone merely not being present on their lawn for a few nights causes concern among the community.

Now, some of the locals don&#039;t like the result, for a multitude of reasons.  Obviously, some of the couches get left out through any weather, and degrade somewhat quickly, and become eyesores.  Also, there&#039;s an argument that they attract vermin after time.  Finally, there&#039;s just simply little cultural understanding, and therefore some fear of, these people &quot;hanging out&quot; all the time - many people outside the culture (perhaps rightfully so) get the feeling best described by the Animal House scene in the bar.

Now, this second group might get together in a neighborhood and provide contractually that the properties are restricted from having the couches on the yard.  The problem comes from enforcement costs, (even if the legal system has the equivalent of covenants running with the land).  As a result, these people might conclude that their best bet in maintaining the lifestyle and culture that they prefer is to discriminate against those in the immigrant culture.  Taking this option out of their bag, and making them social pariahs for using it, will merely subvert their still existing desire to be free of the couches into a call for aggressive regulation of everyone&#039;s property.  This is, in reality, much of the basis for support of zoning laws currently (and in fact, this fight was played out in the zoning boards).

As for the second concern, I point to the Amish.  I personally think their &quot;failure to forgive is the worst sin&quot; credo leads to some perverse, oppressive results.  However, it is their scrupulously consistent adherence to such principles that makes their society such a stable, free community in the middle of perhaps the most intrusive empire ever known.  Knock out the applications that I disagree with, and perhaps the whole community loses its admirable qualities too, as you have now allowed exceptions to the fundamental principles (we can see what that has done to the Constitution).

I think as libertarians, and especially of the anarcho-variety, we must be very respectful of the power of culture, and the historical forces that created it, and of the fact that many people&#039;s identity is closely tied to, if not in fact entirely based upon, their culture.  I think as long as the NAP is respected, the strongest action that should be taken against oppressive cultural issues (as opposed to cultural outliers in a given community) is argument (i.e., no boycott, etc.), and even that must be done very carefully and respectfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roderick,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just too wary of culture, and the multitude of ways that cultures can non-aggressively conflict to the point of creating a call for aggressive responses.  &#8220;Racism&#8221; is quite often more appropriately called &#8220;culturalism&#8221;, and the difference between the two is actually quite important.  Further, I fear that some fundamental cultural pillars, while leading to some oppressive cultural applications, are also the pillars to liberty in those cultures &#8211; so weakening the consistent application of the pillar is a blow against broader liberty.</p>
<p>As an example of my first concern, I&#8217;ll point to a controversy local to me.  A certain immigrant population has over the last 20 years become more and more numerous in my area.  One overbroad generalization I can make about their culture is that they tend to like to put nice, big, cushy sofas on their front lawns.  It&#8217;s a social phenomenon, and, I believe, in their culture, a very pro-liberty phenomenon.  It creates a social space where everyone in the community has some idea about everyone else.  This community awareness is great from issues such as charity, to &#8216;policing&#8217;, all the way to protecting children from abuse.  Someone merely not being present on their lawn for a few nights causes concern among the community.</p>
<p>Now, some of the locals don&#8217;t like the result, for a multitude of reasons.  Obviously, some of the couches get left out through any weather, and degrade somewhat quickly, and become eyesores.  Also, there&#8217;s an argument that they attract vermin after time.  Finally, there&#8217;s just simply little cultural understanding, and therefore some fear of, these people &#8220;hanging out&#8221; all the time &#8211; many people outside the culture (perhaps rightfully so) get the feeling best described by the Animal House scene in the bar.</p>
<p>Now, this second group might get together in a neighborhood and provide contractually that the properties are restricted from having the couches on the yard.  The problem comes from enforcement costs, (even if the legal system has the equivalent of covenants running with the land).  As a result, these people might conclude that their best bet in maintaining the lifestyle and culture that they prefer is to discriminate against those in the immigrant culture.  Taking this option out of their bag, and making them social pariahs for using it, will merely subvert their still existing desire to be free of the couches into a call for aggressive regulation of everyone&#8217;s property.  This is, in reality, much of the basis for support of zoning laws currently (and in fact, this fight was played out in the zoning boards).</p>
<p>As for the second concern, I point to the Amish.  I personally think their &#8220;failure to forgive is the worst sin&#8221; credo leads to some perverse, oppressive results.  However, it is their scrupulously consistent adherence to such principles that makes their society such a stable, free community in the middle of perhaps the most intrusive empire ever known.  Knock out the applications that I disagree with, and perhaps the whole community loses its admirable qualities too, as you have now allowed exceptions to the fundamental principles (we can see what that has done to the Constitution).</p>
<p>I think as libertarians, and especially of the anarcho-variety, we must be very respectful of the power of culture, and the historical forces that created it, and of the fact that many people&#8217;s identity is closely tied to, if not in fact entirely based upon, their culture.  I think as long as the NAP is respected, the strongest action that should be taken against oppressive cultural issues (as opposed to cultural outliers in a given community) is argument (i.e., no boycott, etc.), and even that must be done very carefully and respectfully.</p>
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