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	<title>Comments on: So Who&#8217;s Behind All These Conspiracy Theories?</title>
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		<title>By: The Art of the Possible &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Real Meaning of 9/11</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/09/17/so-whos-behind-all-these-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-227026</link>
		<dc:creator>The Art of the Possible &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Real Meaning of 9/11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I first began blogging on the first anniversary of 9/11, and over the succeeding years I&#8217;ve blogged a fair bit about 9/11 &#8211; how it shows both the power and the impotence of the state; how it feeds the Higgs cycle of ratcheting intervention; how the pre-9/11 mindset is the only realistic one; how it illustrates Aristotle&#8217;s superiority to both Seneca and D. H. Lawrence; and how both the 9/11 conspiracy theorists and their critics are confused. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I first began blogging on the first anniversary of 9/11, and over the succeeding years I&#8217;ve blogged a fair bit about 9/11 &#8211; how it shows both the power and the impotence of the state; how it feeds the Higgs cycle of ratcheting intervention; how the pre-9/11 mindset is the only realistic one; how it illustrates Aristotle&#8217;s superiority to both Seneca and D. H. Lawrence; and how both the 9/11 conspiracy theorists and their critics are confused. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: john writter</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/09/17/so-whos-behind-all-these-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>john writter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact:
Who gave weapons to Saddam – CIA (Regan Era)
Who created Taliban --- CIA (to fight with Russia)
Were people dying in Iraq before Bush wasted billions in war games (NO)
Who got the most benefit out of WTC destruction --- Bush, Halliburton, Dick Chenny, and Isreal
Did Bush lie about the facts ---- Yes
Did Bush killed thousands of innocent people including his own troops --- Yes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact:<br />
Who gave weapons to Saddam – CIA (Regan Era)<br />
Who created Taliban &#8212; CIA (to fight with Russia)<br />
Were people dying in Iraq before Bush wasted billions in war games (NO)<br />
Who got the most benefit out of WTC destruction &#8212; Bush, Halliburton, Dick Chenny, and Isreal<br />
Did Bush lie about the facts &#8212;- Yes<br />
Did Bush killed thousands of innocent people including his own troops &#8212; Yes</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/09/17/so-whos-behind-all-these-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for addressing this, Roderick.  You&#039;ve pretty much said exactly what I was trying to say in two of my essays on conspiracy theory (&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.6thdensity.net/?p=507&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.6thdensity.net/?p=515&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).  I keep trying to drive home to people that the logical stance for the citizen without security clearance or other supernatural access to information is to keep an open mind and not jump to any conclusions.  The sad reality of our culture is the expectation that there are certain conclusions to which one is almost compelled to jump, and many who find this obscene rebel by jumping to the opposite conclusion.

On a fundamental level though, there&#039;s a certain healthiness to maintaining the outlook that we are an overmanaged and underempowered society.  Given that and the level of secrecy in said management, it&#039;s no wonder conspiracy rumors thrive.  The key is to get people to think it all the way through instead of stopping at the dramatic details.  I think we live in danger of conspiracies far too public and in our face to make hay about secret operations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for addressing this, Roderick.  You&#8217;ve pretty much said exactly what I was trying to say in two of my essays on conspiracy theory (<a href="http://blog.6thdensity.net/?p=507" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://blog.6thdensity.net/?p=515" rel="nofollow">here</a>).  I keep trying to drive home to people that the logical stance for the citizen without security clearance or other supernatural access to information is to keep an open mind and not jump to any conclusions.  The sad reality of our culture is the expectation that there are certain conclusions to which one is almost compelled to jump, and many who find this obscene rebel by jumping to the opposite conclusion.</p>
<p>On a fundamental level though, there&#8217;s a certain healthiness to maintaining the outlook that we are an overmanaged and underempowered society.  Given that and the level of secrecy in said management, it&#8217;s no wonder conspiracy rumors thrive.  The key is to get people to think it all the way through instead of stopping at the dramatic details.  I think we live in danger of conspiracies far too public and in our face to make hay about secret operations.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Carville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Carville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering (Cal Poly 1978) and 13 years subsequent experience in Aerospace and Metallurgy.  I am not an expert on structural building design but I beleive i know enough about metals and metallurgy to recognize some of the BS surrounding the collpase of the towers.

The structural steel did not have to melt to bring down the towers.  It only needed to reach the critical temperature where it effectively loses it&#039;s load bearing ability.   For the steel in the WTC this was about 1000F (540C).  IIRC, even the 911-truth folks allow 800F to 1500F for the fires.  Because ordinary office fires can reach this temperature even without kerosene as an accellerant, steel columns have to be insulated.  In the case of the towers both abestos and another type of insulation (the name escapes me) were used and both were rated to provide four hours protection.  However, this assumes the insulation was intact.

Given the design of the building, the outer aluminum supports would have offered little resistance to the plane.  It is reasonable to accept that there was sufficent energy in the intitial impact to blow away a significant amount of the insulation on inner columns allowing the steel to be directly affected by the fire.  I don&#039;t know of way to prove it (tho simulations show it happening that way) but, if that is what actually happened and the fire directly affected the steel, the amazing thing is the buildings stayed up as long as they did.

The collapse of towers one and two were top to bottom.  This is not typical of a controlled demolition as the 911-truth folks try to claim.  A simplified version of blowing a tall building is: The building is rigged so the first set of charges cut support to the outer wall which then try to collapse inward.  Then charges cut support at the base causing the core to try and topple but the inward falling walls constrain it.  The result is the building collapses from the bottom up onto it&#039;s own foot print.  The towers all collapsed straight down but this the only similarity I see to commercial demolitions.

The collapse of WTC-7 is often presented and being impossible.  Since it was closer to a ground up collapse it does more closely resembles a controlled demolition.  The usual argument is that the fire was not extensive enough to damage the structure enough to cause a collapse.  However, if you look carefully you will notice that the 911-truth folks only show you images of the North and East side of the tower.  Find an image of the South side and you will see at least 20 floors of the building were fully involved before the collapse.  The fire was far more extensive than the 911-truth folks would like you to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering (Cal Poly 1978) and 13 years subsequent experience in Aerospace and Metallurgy.  I am not an expert on structural building design but I beleive i know enough about metals and metallurgy to recognize some of the BS surrounding the collpase of the towers.</p>
<p>The structural steel did not have to melt to bring down the towers.  It only needed to reach the critical temperature where it effectively loses it&#8217;s load bearing ability.   For the steel in the WTC this was about 1000F (540C).  IIRC, even the 911-truth folks allow 800F to 1500F for the fires.  Because ordinary office fires can reach this temperature even without kerosene as an accellerant, steel columns have to be insulated.  In the case of the towers both abestos and another type of insulation (the name escapes me) were used and both were rated to provide four hours protection.  However, this assumes the insulation was intact.</p>
<p>Given the design of the building, the outer aluminum supports would have offered little resistance to the plane.  It is reasonable to accept that there was sufficent energy in the intitial impact to blow away a significant amount of the insulation on inner columns allowing the steel to be directly affected by the fire.  I don&#8217;t know of way to prove it (tho simulations show it happening that way) but, if that is what actually happened and the fire directly affected the steel, the amazing thing is the buildings stayed up as long as they did.</p>
<p>The collapse of towers one and two were top to bottom.  This is not typical of a controlled demolition as the 911-truth folks try to claim.  A simplified version of blowing a tall building is: The building is rigged so the first set of charges cut support to the outer wall which then try to collapse inward.  Then charges cut support at the base causing the core to try and topple but the inward falling walls constrain it.  The result is the building collapses from the bottom up onto it&#8217;s own foot print.  The towers all collapsed straight down but this the only similarity I see to commercial demolitions.</p>
<p>The collapse of WTC-7 is often presented and being impossible.  Since it was closer to a ground up collapse it does more closely resembles a controlled demolition.  The usual argument is that the fire was not extensive enough to damage the structure enough to cause a collapse.  However, if you look carefully you will notice that the 911-truth folks only show you images of the North and East side of the tower.  Find an image of the South side and you will see at least 20 floors of the building were fully involved before the collapse.  The fire was far more extensive than the 911-truth folks would like you to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: BradSpangler.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; George Bush is an Islamic Fundamentalist</title>
		<link>http://aaeblog.com/2006/09/17/so-whos-behind-all-these-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>BradSpangler.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; George Bush is an Islamic Fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For more on conspiracy theories, consult Roderick Long. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For more on conspiracy theories, consult Roderick Long. [...]</p>
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